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What plot in magic or mentalism do you obsess over?

For me, it has always been the pulse stop. I'm not even sure when this obsession started, but I have been consumed by it. I've looked at what feels like every method, and have created some along the way. Anytime I hear about a new method, I search it out. 


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For me, it's the Clock Trick Principal using a mentalism theme. There are a lot of effects out there that use these methods like Jon Tramaine's Round The Clock, Larry Becker's Cardiology from Stunner's Plus, Christian Chilman's Zodiac from Capricornian Tales and others.

I was getting a lot of ideas from Socrates before he left on his trip. I am still playing with some ideas, so, we will see.

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I used to drool over Torn and Restored card and all of its variations because of the fact that you are putting back together something that was physically destroyed. While changes, transpositions, etc are all fascinating plots, the idea of "fixing" something broken just seems to be so much more impactful to me. 

After I grew out of that phase (by studying the plot too much, I guess, haha) I've become slightly obsessed (but not as much as I was with TnR) with CAAN. Right now, m favorite is Patrick Redford's "Applesauce" method. 
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 my favorite is Patrick Redford's "Applesauce" method. 


That whole book is an amazing work on the plot. I am not the biggest fan of ACAAN, but I have to say that some of the methods I've seen from that book are brilliant. 

Logan, I've often thought about adding that plot to my working set but have never taken the leap of faith to actually perform it. I'd love to hear some of your thoughts on the method. Like wise with Socrates. We discussed readings and propless material before he left. He is truly a brilliant man. 

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Gilbreath Principle and Quine's Keeper and Faro and Estimation.

I'd still say my highest obsession is showing something that is impossible with all the typical thought-of possibilities eliminated.
Like when I do a simple coin from cards routine where they select 2 cards, the I do a few maneuvers with the cards and suddenly a silver dollar coin appears from between the cards onto their hands (basically a single coin Miser's Miracle), and their only response is silence or amazement or "...and he's got short sleeves".  I love it!
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When I started magic, ACAAN and Triumph were pretty up there.  Later it became cardistry and card manipulation (for about 1 second I was also fascinated with card through window).  Nowadays I'm all about single card productions.

EDIT:  Oh, I also love Scarne's aces.
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"Obsession" is a big word for us old guys, but I can think of 2 items which continue to haunt me:

1. Kris Korn doing Translocation or Dean Dill doing his Tonight Show Matrix. Both use similar methods and are similar in effect. Actually, I'm not a fan of coin magic and am rarely fooled by it. I've become increasingly convinced that no coin trick using regular coins looks as good as one using trick coins. I know there are reasons for the former, but I'm strictly speaking from a visually aspect. My coin work sucks, but if I could do either of these tricks as well as the performers I mentioned here, I would gladly throw my cards out of the window.

2. A really good double lift. I can't recall the last time I was fooled by a double lift. Show me 200 and I'll probably detect 200. I'm sure I'm not alone. Just watching David Ben do the Bertram Lift makes me deep green.

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Properly combining magic with storytelling. Some do not feel that the two go together. I disagree: They go together like chocolate and peanut butter, like butter and biscuits. For the longest time I struggled with the perfect formula, as if such a thing existed. I tried. I failed. I tried...

Then Chris Hannibal started writing a column in Genii and it became apparent that he had adopted a style in that vein; combining strong storytelling with strong magic. I read his columns and then tracked down some of his performances online - He nailed it! Now, while I in no way want to emulate Chris Hannibal - who could? The guy's great - I now know that it is possible and have been inspired to come up with my own material.

I am currently working on two pieces and have tried them out on my limited circle of ready-to-watch family and friends. So far I am proud of my progress. But I am still obsessed. We shall see what becomes of my obsession.   

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Properly combining magic with storytelling.


I hope this is an obsession for most magicians. Nothing kills an effect faster than having a dull presentation. I've also seen amazing presentation make simple effects into pure magic (Eugene Burger was a master at doing so). 

Storytelling is so important to magic and mentalism. If you haven't yet read The Anatomy of Story by John Turby, I highly recommend it. Even though it isn't about magic, I promise it will make anyone a better magician. 

 


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"Obsession" is a big word for us old guys, but I can think of 2 items which continue to haunt me:

2. A really good double lift. I can't recall the last time I was fooled by a double lift. Show me 200 and I'll probably detect 200. I'm sure I'm not alone. Just watching David Ben do the Bertram Lift makes me deep green.


I agree with this.  I hate watching a double where the magician hold the cards together all the way to placing them down on the deck.  I try to do it the same as if I am flipping a single card over, so I let it flop/fall down naturally.  Depending on the situation, I sometimes do a really sloppy get-ready, but I've practiced a strike double and many other methods.  You are right that it is tricky to get it clean.  Misdirection helps as well as just making it look like it just doesn't matter.  It will feel more natural.

When I perform for laymen, I try to make a move like a double look natural and the same as a single card.  I like to study what it looks like to actually flip one card, or in the case of a coin vanish like a French Drop...  what does it look like when I actually take the coin.  Then how can I make the move look the same.  This has been a personal challenge to myself for many moves that I learn.
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I very fanatic over memorized deck stack magic.
And, I love effects with the faroshuffle.

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For reasons, I do not understand, I have an obsession with "coin ladders" and close variations of them. I think it stems back to childhood interests in things where marbles go through a track or fall through holes to different levels, et cetera. 

It is a magic experience which combines what magicians commonly  call magic, i.e. the production of coins or balls with a common fascination around a race track, or randomized paths taken by a falling object or watching an object :fall" through descending levels in a more complex track. 

I do not collect apparatus in which the coin "climbs" up or rises. Gravity is my friend!

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My current obsession is Out of this World. I've poured over many methods, created a decent shuffled deck version, and even had a custom deck made using the principle in "A New World."

Out of this Universe, Nu-Wave Out of this World, A Pale Blue (By Ben Blau), and Red/Black by Michael Weber are just a few I've performed and loved. 

Funny thing is, I'm not entirely sure why. Perhaps it's the desire to give the spectator the sensation they did something incredible.

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My current obsession is Out of this World.


Here's a new one coming out in case you haven't seen it...

https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic/card-magic/offworld/


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Here's a new one coming out in case you haven't seen it... https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic/card-magic/offworld/


I did see that one. It seems interesting for sure, but I might stick with "A New World."
Then again...

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   I'm assuming you're familiar with my Impromptu Out of this World - which I published decades ago.
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Right now I am obsessed with cutting to cards. It can be aces, spectators cards, anything. I probably will move on to a new magic obsession soon, as there are so many different things about magic!  
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Ace assemblies. I've always loved them. Darwin Ortiz, Jack Carpenter, John Bannon, HARRY LORAYNE...

People respond well to these. 
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For me, it's the Clock Trick Principal using a mentalism theme. There are a lot of effects out there that use these methods like Jon Tramaine's Round The Clock, Larry Becker's Cardiology from Stunner's Plus, Christian Chilman's Zodiac from Capricornian Tales and others.

I was getting a lot of ideas from Socrates before he left on his trip. I am still playing with some ideas, so, we will see.

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Have you tried Overclock by Randy Wakeman?
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Hi Logan,

or are you familiar with David Solomon´s A Blah Day? Or his Casino Clock? The Blah Day has a very clever principle involved that will fool everybody!

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Magicfish & Axel,

Thank you for your input and suggestions on the clock trick method. When my finances are a little better, I'll check into those routines.

Thank you very much for your help!

Logan,
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My obsession is with chair routines or similar “final picture” predictions. There are a number of good ones with various methods. Here are some I’ve used or want to use:

Chair Routines:

Ensconced Fundament—Redford
Ensconced Fundament Asunder—Redford
The Ultimate Chair Test Routine Act—Volpe
Musical Chairs—Biss

Chair-like Routine

Group Dynamic—Maue
Fate—Maue

I have a particular bias toward “Fate”. I have performed it many times to great receptions.

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I wouldnt really call it an obsession. Obsession has kind of a negative flavor, i call it a love of magic.
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For me, it's the Clock Trick Principal using a mentalism theme. There are a lot of effects out there that use these methods like Jon Tramaine's Round The Clock, Larry Becker's Cardiology from Stunner's Plus, Christian Chilman's Zodiac from Capricornian Tales and others.

I was getting a lot of ideas from Socrates before he left on his trip. I am still playing with some ideas, so, we will see.

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Clock O' Doom, John Bannon from Smoke and Mirrors is very clever. I love Clock-O-Mania by Morty Rudnick and Mike Shelley, the rights for which I own and expanded upon. It takes space as it's a dedicated deck, but for story telling it's wonderful. It's original version is "mind reading"' but I don't do it that way.
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Open prediction.
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For me, it's the Clock Trick Principal using a mentalism theme. There are a lot of effects out there that use these methods like Jon Tramaine's Round The Clock, Larry Becker's Cardiology from Stunner's Plus, Christian Chilman's Zodiac from Capricornian Tales and others.

I was getting a lot of ideas from Socrates before he left on his trip. I am still playing with some ideas, so, we will see.

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Hey Logan Five, here's a thread from TMF

http://www.themagiciansforum.com/post/timely-departure-by-john-bannon-7932633?highlight=clock
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Fate by Simon Aronson.
I have been trying for years now, to get rid of the (relative) "weaknesses" from that trick.
However, I fear that I am looking for the squaring of the circle.
So you can call it a "frustration" rather than an "obsession" [wink]


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My magic obsession is the 'perfect' casual magic repertoire.

100 tricks done either propless, or with borrowed items, or pocket props, or a borrowed deck of cards. All examinable, in the hands, FSDIU, angle-proof, direct, strong, no batteries, no threads, no expensive props, easy to do, no refills, no reset, and massively varied across genre, plot, prop and style.
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For me, it's the Clock Trick Principal using a mentalism theme. There are a lot of effects out there that use these methods like Jon Tramaine's Round The Clock, Larry Becker's Cardiology from Stunner's Plus, Christian Chilman's Zodiac from Capricornian Tales and others.

I was getting a lot of ideas from Socrates before he left on his trip. I am still playing with some ideas, so, we will see.

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+1 on Tremaine's effect.  I have been doing this for YEARS...although with a slight presentation enhancement  [wink]
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Yup,

I do it the way he does it on the video, however, I cannot find a toy clock or, a real clock that seems to fit the effect.

I made my own clock out of cardboard, I know it's not a real clock lol, but, it will have to do until I find the right clock to use. I've been to all the second-hand stores, and nothing.

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Something I meant to say way back when this thread got started.

I think I know what context we're using "Obsession" in, but for me it's a jeopardous word.

Passion is much to be preferred.

And on that note, I'll add another soupcon of nothing to the discussion by saying I have no particular or individual passions. Magic is the One. I just love magic. Which for me is what mentalism, or whatever other description we choose to use, is. Part of Magic. No more no less.
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Blathermist, 

I think we all have a passion for magic. When I used the word "obsession" it was meant to spark a conversation of what plots other performers and creators are interested in. I think there is a negative connotation to that word, but it was not meant to be taken in its literal definition. It was meant to convey the thought of "What plot do I continuously work on?"

I could have worded it like that, but it seemed less appealing [wink] 

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I constantly hop from one thing to another. Currently  holding my attention and that I'm working on is that common link between Cummins' Tap-a-lack, Vigil's Diplopia and Pit Hartling's Triathalon, the detail of which is found in Harry Lorayne's Classic Collection 1 and again in Doug Dyment's work Tricyclic.
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A really good double lift. I can't recall the last time I was fooled by a double lift. Show me 200 and I'll probably detect 200. I'm sure I'm not alone.


Is this close? It's not as casual as it should be, but I had to keep my hands in frame and I went
slowly to demonstrate how aligned the cards are. With this technique you can actually let the card drop back on the deck. In performance it looks loose and casual.



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Beautiful! I would love to do lifts like that. The ones I use are very good, I think, but I've not been able to achieve that particular look/style. Do you teach this somewhere?
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It's Ron Bauer's Two Card Turnover Technique (T.T.T.) and you can find it on a DVD called Card Sleight Tutorials. Just follow the link in my signature.
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For me, it is effects using the faro shuffle. You can do lots of things with it that seem to be real magic because you don't seem to be doing much, except shuffle the cards.
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