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Name at least three card sleights that you have worked on in the past, but for some reason, you just can't master or gave up on. Mine are :

1- Table Faro// I have worked on this off and on for years..

2- One Handed Shuffle

3- Center & Greek deals//mine are ugly to say the least, I even have problems with a fake center deal

Also have trouble with the classic pass// But that has it's own thread.

What say you ?

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I've always wanted to do a perfect faro shuffle, get it right every time. But i can only do it some of the time. But I'm never giving up.
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1. Stuart Gordon Double
2. One Handed Bottom Palm - Earnest Earick (tried learning it from the Ben Earl set)
3. Picking doubles off the top of a tabled deck (Dani Daortiz does this for an effect called, "The trick that cannot be explained" from Fat Bros DVD)

Great question!!

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. Picking doubles off the top of a tabled deck (Dani Daortiz does this for an effect called, "The trick that cannot be explained" from Fat Bros DVD) Great question!!


OMG, that sounds hard!
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1. Clipshift
2. SWE shift
3. Multiple one handed top palm
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OMG, that sounds hard!


It's most definitely hard to do consistently. There's another way of doing it called the "Gin Pick". It's taught by Jon Armstrong on one of his DVDs. I actually sat down at a coffee table with Dani DaOrtiz and he showed me how to place my fingers on the pack to grab those doubles.

He actually missed twice. I asked him what the secret was and he told me that you just have to do it a few thousand times.

I've only tried one thousand times so I have work to do.

If you saw how badly he fooled Johnny Thompson with the trick that I referenced, you'd want to learn it too! [smile]

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1. Stuart Gordon Double 2. One Handed Bottom Palm - Earnest Earick (tried learning it from the Ben Earl set) 3. Picking doubles off the top of a tabled deck (Dani Daortiz does this for an effect called, "The trick that cannot be explained" from Fat Bros DVD) Great question!!


What source are you learning from?

for a relatively inexpensive price you can look into Jason England's Double Lift Video  

https://store.theory11.com/products/double-lift-jason-england

i've found with the SG Double that a soft touch and correct amount of pressure between the finger and thumb squeezing together, while the other two fingers act as a fulcrum point for the card to rotate around.

also getting a fluid rhythm helps also

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My sleight wish list:

-Table Faro shuffle (to pretend it is a regular riffle shuffle)

-The Classic Pass (although there are ways around it; Derek Dingle's was fantastic, Richard Kaufman's is also very good)

-The Cull

Another one which I think is not a sleight but would like to do is the one card spin on the fingertip.

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I know this will seem very lame of me... but I would love to be able to do the Halo Cut... but it eludes me. Not sure if it is dry hands.  Small hands.  Or from Wisconsin.  But not really able to pull it off.  I have Harry's great videos on this... but still not really able to do it very well.  
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- Second deal
- Side steal
- Ultramove

I do have very dry hands, so have found these to be challenging.

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   See? Now you're talking - HaLo Cut and Ultra Move make much, much, more sense to learn than table faros, culls, passes, second deals, etc.

     And Magicmason - doing my HaLo Cut has nothing to do with size of hands; I'm sure my hands are smaller than yours. It really is a simple thing - don't create problems where none exist. It's really just a simple slip cut from bottom. Gotta' be because you're from Wisconsin!  (Very dry hands could be a problem.)
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Halo cut also sounds cool to say. Halo cut. 
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   Cooler to do!
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But of course
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I would love to learn tabled faro as well but that's not my focus right now. 
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   See? Now you're talking - HaLo Cut and Ultra Move make much, much, more sense to learn than table faros, culls, passes, second deals, etc.

     And Magicmason - doing my HaLo Cut has nothing to do with size of hands; I'm sure my hands are smaller than yours. It really is a simple thing - don't create problems where none exist. It's really just a simple slip cut from bottom. Gotta' be because you're from Wisconsin!  (Very dry hands could be a problem.)



Thanks Harry.  I think where I fall down is knowing how much of this is done by the left hand "pad" and how much down pressure from my right hand fingers.  I am not sure I am explaining that right.  You are a legend Sir.  Very best wishes to you!
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  Right fingers just hold the deck. Most of the work is done by left hand, which grasps the top kicked- to the left hand deck and the bottom card at the same time.
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1) The Anti Faro -Never even attempted, just too scared of this.  I'll be making a serious run at it some time this year though, after I learn a few more things.

2)  The Ultra Move- Really struggling with this one.  I have an idea for incorporating it into a trick I currently do, if I could just get it fluid I think the whole thing will just look incredible.  I'm trying to get it so that I can do it without thinking or any hesitation.  But if I don't drop the cards all over the floor, my face looks like it's been doing rhythmic gymnastics.  I haven't been practicing recently because of exams, but I'm gonna make a serious study of this move some time down the line as well.

4)  This is something I'm currently working on and just started getting.  It's the card throw from Gregory Wilsons Boomerang Card of Death.  I want to be able to do the routine, and tonight I just started experimenting with some ideas of why I might not be able to do it, and I think the problem might lie in my straddle grip.  I'll be making adjustments.

4)  Back palm/cardini singles.  I'm terrible at this.  But I have an idea for a quick trick that requires them.  I've been practicing for about a month now and anticipate that I might take another year before I'd actually get it down well enough for an audience (or maybe never, but I'll still be working on it anyway).

Those are just the ones I'm currently working on or that I've planned to get back to.  The amount of stuff I've tried one time and gone...maybe a thousand years from now could take an entire library.
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For those interested, I'm pretty sure Steven Youell teaches the tabled faro.

Steven?
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It took a while, but I can now reliably do Cardini singles and the Ultra move.  The Ultra Move in particular was something I'm pretty pleased to have taken the time to learn.

I feel like I should add more stuff to my list.  That said, the DVD on the anti-faro just came in, and I'm wondering if perhaps it's time to get cracking on that (I've pretty much given up on the boomerang card of death).

How has everyone come along with their wish lists?
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The more the merrier I suppose as long as you don't get too obsessed by it all and neglect the most important part of being a card magician which is the presentation, patter and all the necessary theory and psychological aspects to the work. The truth is that you don't need that much in the way of sleights to become an excellent card magician although I suppose it doesn't hurt to have a decent technical knowledge.

With regard to the second deal I always used to pooh - pooh it as a useless sleight since there didn't seem to be that many card tricks you could do with it. However, that was years and years ago. I have now changed my mind as there are a hell of a lot more very good tricks with the second deal than there ever used to be. Or maybe I have only recently noticed them. They are certainly out there though. 

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With regard to the second deal I always used to pooh - pooh it as a useless sleight since there didn't seem to be that many card tricks you could do with it. However, that was years and years ago. I have now changed my mind as there are a hell of a lot more very good tricks with the second deal than there ever used to be.



Since the second deal has been mentioned, has anyone used the second deal in place of a double lift? I've recently been playing around with the idea. It essentially acts as a top change.
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   Many use my The Ultra Move in place...etc.
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Hi, just wanted to bump this thread and see how everyone is going on their lists.  I managed to clear everything on mine except that dreaded anti-faro.

I just started practicing pull through shuffles, but that's just more of a continued learning with cards for me.  I don't really have any new sleights that I feel as eager to learn as I did before, and I'm fairly content to just keep trudging through Card College.  So no more sleight wish list for me.
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What source are you learning from?

for a relatively inexpensive price you can look into Jason England's Double Lift Video  

https://store.theory11.com/products/double-lift-jason-england

i've found with the SG Double that a soft touch and correct amount of pressure between the finger and thumb squeezing together, while the other two fingers act as a fulcrum point for the card to rotate around.

also getting a fluid rhythm helps also

[smile]





I'm glad that you bumped this thread, Chi Han. I didn't notice that "X", had asked me a question.

Dorian Rhodell gave me some tips on the Stuart Gordon DL, that made a difference in my ability to perform it more with more consistency. I'd still love to learn the one handed top palm by Ernest Earick. Not just for the sake of learning a move, but for the effect that I saw it used for on Benjamin Earl's DVD.

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There's a flourish called "Ferris Wheel" that's a free download at Penguin.
That currently has me defeated, but I'm not giving up.  I can do the first 20%. might take years to get the rest.
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   See? Now you're talking - HaLo Cut and Ultra Move make much, much, more sense to learn than table faros, culls, passes, second deals, etc.


Harry, please allow me to disagree with you to an extent.  And I say this as someone who regularly uses the HaLo Cut in a multiple selection routine, a la HaLo Aces.

I don't think the moves should be an either/or.  Rather, they can be used in conjunction with one another.  So, if four cards are touched at various points in the deck and outjogged, they can then be controlled to the top through an Elias Shift.  The first and third cards are shown as indifferent cards...the top four are controlled to the bottom through double undercut.  Which places them in perfect position for your HaLo Aces handling.  Of course, if you miscall the final selection...and then do a top change...you have an even great effect.

I regard the HaLo Cut as a major arrow in my quiver.  But to say it makes much more sense to learn than passes, second deals, etc....I think that's not doing those sleights the justice they deserve.
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   The sleights are fine, passes and second deals are great - just not for me. And if you look up an item of mine called Take Five - outjogged cards changing, etc., you might find it worthwhile. Please understand, I'm not putting down any sleights, I'm just stating my opinion, stating what works for me. And from what I've been told over the decades those "opinions" of mine have been of great help to many.

       For example - in my opinion, my Ultra Move is much, much, better than a top change. Of course, the top change is necessary for some effects - so, I never do those effects! I know/perform literally thousands of card effects/routines and not one of them depends on a pass/second deal/top change. What it boils down to is what I've written perhaps a thousand times - whatever works for you - to each his own.
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Well, I feel comfortable with the few basic sleights I use.
The Center Deal is what I can't get down.
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As long as we've bumped this, I am letting David Williamson's little spin-out move drive me to distraction. I've come close to getting some action on it once or twice out of about 500 tries. Usually, I can eventually unlock these things, but I can't get this one.

And, yes, I'd like a table faro too. I was very proud of myself decades ago when learned the in-the-hands, but I have not been able to discipline myself to pursue the beautiful table faro as riffle shuffle. To me, that is the ultimate in card control. Well, the anti-faro too, but I view that as impossible and would still believe that if I hadn't seen it done. Somehow. [smile]
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1. Classic Pass
2. Smoothing out the Ultra Move
3. Smoothing out Primal Screen

2 & 3 are HL moves.

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My wishlist would have to include the ARM.
I've always wanted to be able to perform Raise Rise as good Ray Kosby.
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1. The selenium shift
2. Asteroid change (Simon Black)
3. White wine

4. The 5-4-3-2-A change from Subtle Concepts
5. Erdnase Change
6. Shrimp

The first i cant seem to get my little hands to stretch (blame my mums side of the family for that one). The second is a change from Project S where you place a card on the specs open hand, touch it with your fingertips and it changes - Simon says it is a very bold move. White wine is Shin Lim's 4x4 colour change - I would practice the single card colour change a few times but at the time couldnt get the timing right to make the change look any good with 4 cards.

I liked the quadruple change but I think at the time had a little problem with the mechanics.
As far as the erdnase change goes, I've just never liked it in my hands to ever do it in performance.
Shrimp technically isnt a sleight (its a trick from Shinanigens) but it involves simultaneously classic palming and palming cards in longitudinal position, and for the life of me I can't do it without dropping the card in longitudinal palm (which is really frustrating because it is a really cool quick trick).

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