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...to access The Session Room.  That seems like a pretty stiff requirement.  And it'll take a few months to qualify enough people to have actual discussions there.  (Just my opinion, but one or two meaningful and insightful posts per week is plenty to expect from anybody.)

How about this:  let everybody who registers have access to the Session Room.  And then anybody who posts dumb Magic Cafe type stuff like "I've already pre-ordered mine!"  or "Me too!!" or "Who cares what the effect is?  Anything by Joe Schmoe is gold!!!" or "How did Derren Brown know the name of that guy's first pet?" will lose their access to the Session Room.


PS - it's OK if people don't think this is an insightful or meaningful idea.
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Thanks for your feedback, zhrollofan. Since Harry Lorayne has offered to post some of his material from two of his out-of-print books to that section, I'd rather not give access to the Session Room to just anyone. I'm thrilled that we already have close to 250 members, but only a minority are posting here at this point.

I'd rather have a small tight-knit group of magicians who are actually becoming a community, than a large one that's made up of folks who aren't adding value to the forum.

I'd be willing to allow some of our members into that section if Harry or one of my other moderators can vouch for the person's character and experience. And, to be honest, I'm more concerned about character than I am of skill level.

Again, I appreciate your comment and hope that you'll stick around.

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 I too found the 100 comments a bit much. Not sure what you mean by character. Some of us just don't have much to say, but as I stated in my introduction I have been into card magic for about forty years now. All-thou I have ordered from Harry Lorayne personally and was a subscriber to his Apocalypse magazine back in it's day, he dose not know me from Adam! And as for posting one effect from his close up card magic and classic collections- I have those -so it will not be new to me. But anyway this is not my site and I understand you wanting to keep out the wanabee's. Thanks. (Please do not take this reply in any sort of negative way.) I'am not even sure if I want to post this but here goes.
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 I too found the 100 comments a bit much. Not sure what you mean by character. Some of us just don't have much to say, but as I stated in my introduction I have been into card magic for about forty years now. All-thou I have ordered from Harry Lorayne personally and was a subscriber to his Apocalypse magazine back in it's day, he dose not know me from Adam! And as for posting one effect from his close up card magic and classic collections- I have those -so it will not be new to me. But anyway this is not my site and I understand you wanting to keep out the wanabee's. Thanks. (Please do not take this reply in any sort of negative way.) I'am not even sure if I want to post this but here goes.
Hi Robert, I don't take your post as negative. As I've said, this forum is a work in progress and I'm not so stubborn as to be unwilling to adjust as we grow.

What I meant by character is that there are a lot of people at other forums who I felt were rude, disrespectful and arrogant. This attitude was often demonstrated in their posts.

But if I see that there are magicians here who demonstrate humility, respect and brotherly kindness AND they obviously have a reasonable amount of knowledge about magic, I'd be willing to let them into the Session Room. 

I'm still going to leave the entrance fee at 100 posts, but I will most definitely be watching the interactions of our members and give them access to that room when I (or my moderators) feel they prove to be worth of trust.

Thanks Robert.

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The problem with a lot of forums is that people don't post. I belong to a few groups and organizations that have internal boards. You might have a few hundred members and less than 100 are active posters. Why should you benefit from posts if you're not going to contribute. You might think you have nothing to say but I'm sure you can add something to the conversation. If you can't, then consider it a creative exercise to think of something that WILL add to the conversation. 

I've been in magic for 40 years. That doesn't gain me automatic entrance into the IBM, SAM, Magic Castle, and a host of magic conventions taking place around the world. Hell, I still haven't garnered an invitation to FFFF. Maybe it's because nobody knows who I am. I suppose if I wanted to go to FFFF, I'd ask how to get an invite and DO WHAT IT TAKES to get an invite, not just assume someone will give me an invite on a silver platter because my 40 years in the game. 

You want access to the secret rooms - post. 

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I'm not sure why people are hung up on getting into the secret area. I appreciate that there needs to be an area to protect Harry's effects, but in my opinion the majority of the engaging conversation will be here in the regular forum. Not saying the secret area won't be engaging but the attendance there will be limited, at least for awhile.
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I'm a patient guy.  I can't always be on the forum adding my two cents but 100 seems reasonable if no one knows who you are or how you act in a forum.
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Like Robert Parris said, there's a lot of activity going on the regular boards. 
Enjoy. Post. Be active. 
Entrance to Sessions will come, and you'll be back on the regular boards.
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The problem with a lot of forums is that people don't post. I belong to a few groups and organizations that have internal boards. You might have a few hundred members and less than 100 are active posters. Why should you benefit from posts if you're not going to contribute. You might think you have nothing to say but I'm sure you can add something to the conversation. If you can't, then consider it a creative exercise to think of something that WILL add to the conversation. 

I've been in magic for 40 years. That doesn't gain me automatic entrance into the IBM, SAM, Magic Castle, and a host of magic conventions taking place around the world. Hell, I still haven't garnered an invitation to FFFF. Maybe it's because nobody knows who I am. I suppose if I wanted to go to FFFF, I'd ask how to get an invite and DO WHAT IT TAKES to get an invite, not just assume someone will give me an invite on a silver platter because my 40 years in the game. 

You want access to the secret rooms - post. 


Well said EvilDan. Thankyou.
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Well said EvilDan. Thankyou.


Agree.  Not to mention, we're only talking about 1 topic of the many that are already available, here.
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Be patient and enjoy the ride to 100 posts! I think it will be worth it. But like others have said, the secret area isn't the the Holy grail. It is just one tiny area of an already wonderful forum.

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As I was taught when a kid "some things in life are worth waiting for".

We all use the Internet. It provides INSTANT information. We purchase online - INSTANTLY - and from selling the odd item on eBay, it's abundantly clear that there are so many people that buy today, yet want things delivered yesterday. Absolutely no patience whatsoever. We now have ATM's. At the age of 52, I'm old enough to remember that the only way that you'd get cash from your account was queuing up in a bank - and having to be there before it closed at 3pm. If you missed that time on a Friday, you'd be having a pretty broke, boring or sober Weekend. Then you'd go to the Post Office, to buy postal orders and stamped envelopes to send off for the latest miracle from a magic catalogue. No shopping carts or Paypal in those days guys. If you wanted to cook, you'd use an oven and it would take 45 minutes. These days, a microwave will do it in 3. If you wanted to make a phone call, you'd need to have coins in your pocket; before walking to a telephone box (kiosk). Oh, and notice that verb 'walk'. People these days appear to find it a better option to jump in the car, rather than taking a healthier, more enjoyable ten minute walk to the local shop. It's quicker. They have very important lives whereby time is of the essence. They may even be obsessed by targets, deadlines, and commitments to others; yet rarely achieve any of them.

The point I'm making is that in society these days, people have no patience. They also appear to be obsessed with their mobile phones; and other technology that is supposed to make our lives simpler, faster, better. In the UK, guys in pubs will happily sit there playing with their iPhones; reading through the latest garbage on Facebook; or playing childish games such as Candy Crush. If this trend continues then I truly believe that 50 years or so from now, the only way that the human race will communicate with each other will be via text message or PM's. The ability, even the desire, to hold an interesting conversation is rapidly being eroded. Meanwhile, the art of politeness and good manners, both of which cost absolutely nothing, also appear to be evaporating into the ether. And don't even get me started with people these days and common sense (or rather lack of it)!

Sorry guys, not a rant. Just an observation on life in general.

Suffice to say if it's 100 posts then so be it. If it ensures that people contribute and share more frequently, then it will have achieved its goal.

I'll hopefully get there sooner or later. Maybe by this time next year. But there's really no rush; I'll happily wait until that time comes. And, when it does, there's every chance that I will appreciate it even more. [wink]
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     Totally agree, Barry.  I'm reminded of a phrase I've written a number of times - "For every bit of progress, there is usually a step or two backward."
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Couldn't agree more Barry. BTW we are the same age so that may have something to do with it[smile]

I sometimes quip that when I want to freak out young kids I tell them that when I was their age we didn't have internet...

On "that other Place" the quota for the secret forum was 50 posts. Guess what, I spend maybe 5 % of my time there on the secret areas. Go figure...


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Vey well said Barry. I'm 48 and remember the glory days of actually going outside to play and engage with other people rather than watch my brain melting out of my ears by playing on a cell phone all day. I live with my girlfriend and her two kids and everyday I get frustrated at how they have no interest in engaging in an activity that uses their brain power. I'm not kidding with that. Anything would do. Draw something, read something, make something, talk to someone face to face. Neither has any interest other than playing on the iPad or cell phone. What's worse is that the ten year old really likes magic, and has two magic kits, but because of this generation of 'instant gratification', his attention span is so short that even if I try to help him, he gets frustrated if he has to actually sit and learn a trick, so he just makes up his own, which of course, don't work. I really fear for the future sometimes.
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Go, Barry! [smile]

I was enoying your post...and then I saw your mention of Candy Crush and nearly spit out my chocolate bar...as my wife is nigh on addicted to that game!!! Smiling still as I type :]
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It's been interesting to see the various directions the posts here have been going in.  Really, I only wanted to suggest that by the time a person has contributed say 50 truly meaningful and insightful (and maybe I have an unduly strict standard for those adjectives) posts, that person might well be considered to have earned admission to the Session Room forum.  I'm not sure requiring fifty posts more beyond that makes the forum any better.


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It's been interesting to see the various directions the posts here have been going in.  Really, I only wanted to suggest that by the time a person has contributed say 50 truly meaningful and insightful (and maybe I have an unduly strict standard for those adjectives) posts, that person might well be considered to have earned admission to the Session Room forum.  I'm not sure requiring fifty posts more beyond that makes the forum any better.




Well Zhrollofan, from what I've read, you agree with the principle, now it's just settling on a number.  This can probably be incredibly subjective, some people will say 50, some 100, I personally feel the number should be 1000, but if the mods feel 100, I think it's difficult to say that there is an 'objectively' better number.  Although there are probably some criteria to think about.

Whatever the number is it has to be high enough to prevent people from just creating a new account if they lose access.  You suggested in your first post that people get access by just registering, but lose it if they display inappropriate behaviour.  If that's the case what is to stop them from just making a new account?  The same applies if the number of new posts is too low, like say 10.  So maybe 50 is the right amount, but I don't know if it can be said that it's better than 100, since 100 is even more of a deterrent to lose your account if someone gives you a warning.

A second thing to consider is that if it's too high, people might just give up and go elsewhere.  Like people have mentioned, there's a real lack of patience nowadays, and if people want something, they may prefer not to wait.  If the post is at 1000 (my preferred number), that might put some people off.

Just some things to consider.
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I appreciate the feed back and respect shown to each other as we figure the ground rules as we build this community.

100 posts seems fair and easily attainable. EvilDan got there in a weeks time and won himself a great book and a dozen Bikes in the process. A few others aren't too far behind him.

Since Harry agreed to post the explanations to some of his magic in the Session Room, I think that it would cheapen his work to make it too easily attainable.

Anyway, I sure do like what we've got going here thus far. Knowledgeable and friendly magicians who truly have a respect for the art of magic and for each other.

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I think that more important than the number of posts, the length of time before you can access the restricted area should be a factor.

This is to prevent people to post 100 one-liners, uninspiring posts within a day or two, in effect flooding the forum with ineptitude to gain access. Sure, as the access is not automatic, "they" won't gain access as the mods should not hand over the password to them, but meanwhile the forums get cluttered. If this site becomes very successful (and I wish it will), this system may not get very practical.

A length of time (4 weeks say) + (50 or 100 posts) would hopefully prevent the side effects of post counting.
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I think that more important than the number of posts, the length of time before you can access the restricted area should be a factor.

This is to prevent people to post 100 one-liners, uninspiring posts within a day or two, in effect flooding the forum with ineptitude to gain access. Sure, as the access is not automatic, "they" won't gain access as the mods should not hand over the password to them, but meanwhile the forums get cluttered. If this site becomes very successful (and I wish it will), this system may not get very practical.

A length of time (4 weeks say) + (50 or 100 posts) would hopefully prevent the side effects of post counting.
Thanks for your input, Claudio. So far I'm only seeing great conversations by very knowledgeable magicians happening here. I hope that continues.

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I too thought that the 100 post limit seemed high, however, after reading EVILDAN's comments, it gave me the kick I needed to realize that I spend way too much time just reading other people's comments and never contributing (in a meaningful way). For now, I am actively going to try to contribute to the discussions instead of just read about them and keep my thoughts to myself! I have been doing magic for about 25 years now who knows, maybe one of my comments can help someone out!
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I too thought that the 100 post limit seemed high, however, after reading EVILDAN's comments, it gave me the kick I needed to realize that I spend way too much time just reading other people's comments and never contributing (in a meaningful way). For now, I am actively going to try to contribute to the discussions instead of just read about them and keep my thoughts to myself! I have been doing magic for about 25 years now who knows, maybe one of my comments can help someone out!
Welcome to the Magician's Forum, Spinooch81!! I hope we'll all discover that this is a safe place to share our thoughts and questions about magic without having to worry about trolls, condescending know-it-alls or the grammar police making anyone feel unnecessarily self-conscious. We seem to be off to a great start!

I look forward to getting to know you.

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I've got just short of 1500 posts over at the" Green Monster". Can I get a 10 for 1 trade-in credit here? :-)

Seriously though, I see a lot of familiar names from over there.... Any way we can vouch for each other based on those experience/exchanges?
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I've got just short of 1500 posts over at the" Green Monster". Can I get a 10 for 1 trade-in credit here? :-) Seriously though, I see a lot of familiar names from over there.... Any way we can vouch for each other based on those experience/exchanges?
Haha! Well, as I've stated somewhere else on the forum, I'm absolutely willing to give people access to the Session Room before reaching 100 posts.

I simply want to ensure that the people who come to the Magician's Forum are folks that we will all enjoy having conversations with.

In other words, I'm hoping to create a positive, helpful, troll-free environment for us to share our love of magic with one another.

I felt like 100 posts would allow me and the moderators to gauge whether or not someone was here for the right reasons and would add value to our little community.

I also want to honor the value of the material that will be shared in the Session Room and feel like (to a certain degree) people should earn their way into that section of the forum.

Harry Lorayne, Jon Racherbaumer and Trini Montes have all offered to submit some of their material on a monthly basis to the Session Room! Both Harry and Trini have already done so and Jon showed me the great item that he'll be submitting shortly. Great stuff!

I don't feel like it would be fair to give it away to just anyone with an email address.

Anyway, I'm glad to make considerations on a case-by-case basis and have already done so.

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Having Harry Lorayne here is a rare treat.
It's like having Harry mentor you.
Do you like something in his book? He'll give you suggestions on other tricks in that book that go well performed together.
Have more books? That just broadens the possibility.
Have a problem with a move? Someone did and asked for help. Harry cleared up the confusion.

Someone pinch me because I think this is all a dream.
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Having Harry Lorayne here is a rare treat.
It's like having Harry mentor you.
Do you like something in his book? He'll give you suggestions on other tricks in that book that go well performed together.
Have more books? That just broadens the possibility.
Have a problem with a move? Someone did and asked for help. Harry cleared up the confusion.

Someone pinch me because I think this is all a dream.
I completely agree!! 

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I'm writing this at the request of my wife.  I was telling her how much I'm enjoying this site, and that I'm looking forward to getting to know other magicians, and brainstorm ideas.  

When I casually mentioned the 100 post requirement, she said, "You tell them...", and honest, I'm quoting her now, "You have been my husband for 40 years, and I know how good a magician you are.  I'll vouch for you!"  

And I agreed to share her thought (which is part of the reason we've got 40 years in).

So she can vouch for me.  [smile]

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Another question: once one has reached a hundred posts, are the moderators (or is Rudy) going to analyze the posts in order to see if they are worthy?

One could have a thousand posts but they could all be meaningless...

I think this is going to be the tricky part, to analyze each person's post.

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Another question: once one has reached a hundred posts, are the moderators (or is Rudy) going to analyze the posts in order to see if they are worthy?

One could have a thousand posts but they could all be meaningless...

I think this is going to be the tricky part, to analyze each person's post.


I have a feeling that the 100 posts are more to give enough data to analyze a general trend of what they're looking for.  I've had well over 100 posts for a while and have not gained access, and there are plenty who have less and have gained access.  I wouldn't worry about the number of posts, just keep being a good member of the forum and I'm sure you'll get in eventually.

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Another question: once one has reached a hundred posts, are the moderators (or is Rudy) going to analyze the posts in order to see if they are worthy?

One could have a thousand posts but they could all be meaningless...

I think this is going to be the tricky part, to analyze each person's post.


I have a feeling that the 100 posts are more to give enough data to analyze a general trend of what they're looking for.  I've had well over 100 posts for a while and have not gained access, and there are plenty who have less and have gained access.  I wouldn't worry about the number of posts, just keep being a good member of the forum and I'm sure you'll get in eventually.


that seems logical. 100 is only a number, the important thing is to be worthy for the comunity.
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You may just need contact one of the moderators about it. Unless the website has an automated procedure to flag the 100 posts threshold, some people are bound to fall between the cracks.
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I have a feeling that the 100 posts are more to give enough data to analyze a general trend of what they're looking for.  I've had well over 100 posts for a while and have not gained access, and there are plenty who have less and have gained access.  I wouldn't worry about the number of posts, just keep being a good member of the forum and I'm sure you'll get in eventually.


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You may just need contact one of the moderators about it. Unless the website has an automated procedure to flag the 100 posts threshold, some people are bound to fall between the cracks.


I'll mention you to Rudy. I do believe it is an invite system and not automatic. Not 100% sure, but I will find out.

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After a while you get to know who knows what they are talking about. I don't think it needs a lot of analysis. Invitation only I think is the best way.
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Another question: once one has reached a hundred posts, are the moderators (or is Rudy) going to analyze the posts in order to see if they are worthy?

One could have a thousand posts but they could all be meaningless...

I think this is going to be the tricky part, to analyze each person's post.


I have a feeling that the 100 posts are more to give enough data to analyze a general trend of what they're looking for.  I've had well over 100 posts for a while and have not gained access, and there are plenty who have less and have gained access.  I wouldn't worry about the number of posts, just keep being a good member of the forum and I'm sure you'll get in eventually.



Hi Screencardguy, I apologize. This system is supposed to automatically send you an email with the password to the Session Room when you hit 100 posts.

If you noticed, I gave you "Inner Circle" status before you even hit 100 posts and I thought that I had already sent you the password.
I wonder if I override the auto-email feature when I manually upgrade a member's status?

Anyway, I'll PM you with the password and apologize for the oversight. You're extremely knowledgeable, friendly and respectful. We're lucky to have you here!

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Just some clarification about how I'm choosing who to give access into the Session Room.

I set up the system to give our members "Inner Circle" status automatically, when they hit 100 posts. They also get an email at that point, with the password for the Session Room.

I'm keep a close eye on things and watching the interactions that are happening around here and I can tell within about 30 to 40 posts...

1. Whether or not someone is here for the right reasons
2. The level of their knowledge of magic
3. Their ability to communicate their thoughts in a friendly way
4. Their ability to disagree with someone's opinion in a respectable way

In some cases, I've granted access to some of our members before they hit 50 posts. Simply because I really feel like they add value to our community.

If I see that someone is approaching the 100 post mark by simply posting non-sense, I'll step in and ensure that they don't automatically get Inner Circle status or the password to the Session Room.

Like you, I want to ensure that we retain the positive, helpful and respectful atmosphere that we've created together.

I'll be sure to post this in the "Welcome" section.

Thanks Fellas!!

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Thanks for the clarification, Rudy. Good to know...

And now to keep participating with meaningful posts (I hope most of my participations have been meaningful to someone)... [smile]

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Luigimar, you're posts have been great and I assure you that you and Blathermist are on the list of magicians who will have access to the Session Room well before the 100 post requirement.

There's not much action happening in their now (since there are only a small handful of magicians with Inner Circle status) but I believe that it's going to prove to be the highlight of this forum!

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Thanks Rudy, glad to know my posts have had meaning... I would like to participate more but my job keeps me a little busy...
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I have a feeling that the 100 posts are more to give enough data to analyze a general trend of what they're looking for.  I've had well over 100 posts for a while and have not gained access, and there are plenty who have less and have gained access.  I wouldn't worry about the number of posts, just keep being a good member of the forum and I'm sure you'll get in eventually.


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You may just need contact one of the moderators about it. Unless the website has an automated procedure to flag the 100 posts threshold, some people are bound to fall between the cracks.


I'll mention you to Rudy. I do believe it is an invite system and not automatic. Not 100% sure, but I will find out.

-Alex


Thanks a lot Alex and Claudio!  I probably would have gone forever without the password if this thread hadn't popped up!
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There's not much action happening in their now (since there are only a small handful of magicians with Inner Circle status) but I believe that it's going to prove to be the highlight of this forum!
Rudy


maybe to give some fun to that private room, we can choose 1 trick every month and try to work with it all of the interested people, to share tips and learn it at the same time.

if possible, the trick must be something "new" for us or a underused principle, no the typical thing we all "master".

maybe is a stupid idea, but I think it can push each other to work it (we do this in our magic circle and is great to share the learning). 
always are crazy questions and new ideas, that leads to creative sessions.
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I think this is Rudy's house and he sets the rules. Doesn't matter if you agree or not, or would prefer another way to get in. It is what it is and we should all be grateful he managed to get a forum that is troll free and is somewhere Mr L is happy to share whatever he decides to share. 
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I just wanted to add my two cents (and one post toward the secret forum...lol).  I love this forum and the respect within it.  I have recently been really been following the passion I have for magic.  Therefore, I don't have many answers or advise to give.  I do have trillions of questions to ask.  I want to learn everything.  I want to know theories, opinions, methods, opinions, and especially history of magic.  My main concern is I don't want to be perceived as the annoying "little brother" that does nothing but ask questions and not have anything to give.  I have to admit that I do get a little antsy knowing that there is freely given tricks and advise in the Session Room by Harry, Jon, Trini, and others (even you EvilDan).  I shall wait. I will wait my turn.  One day I will be able to enter atop the Mount Olympus of themagiciansforum.com

Thank you! 
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maybe to give some fun to that private room, we can choose 1 trick every month and try to work with it all of the interested people, to share tips and learn it at the same time.

if possible, the trick must be something "new" for us or a underused principle, no the typical thing we all "master".

maybe is a stupid idea, but I think it can push each other to work it (we do this in our magic circle and is great to share the learning). 
always are crazy questions and new ideas, that leads to creative sessions.


Excellent idea eusbanger. It could be interesting to let our collective creativity loose on something specific. But I disagree that it has to be on something new or original. There's still a lot to discover even on well-known effects or sleights. Take the Elmsley Count for instance. You would think there's nothing new to discover there. However a few years back I stumbled on a new way of doing an EC. It looks like an EC and the result is idendical, however the mechanics are not. I'll be happy to share and discuss in the near future.
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I'm all for the spirit of the 100 post requirement.  It will give the community some time to get to know people a little better, and to make sure that everyone involved is truly here for the knowledge and camaraderie that makes a great forum of any type.  I always try to add something to whatever topic I'm on, but I'll admit, I'm guilty of "me too!" type postings.  Heck, I'm almost 40, and to be honest I'm a relative newcomer to the actual performance of magic.  I've studied it, and of course watched my fair share over the years, but until I started working at my bar, I've never really tried to learn to perform much.  I'm just thankful that forums like this exist where I can find other people that enjoy "talking shop" so to speak. 
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I'm all for the spirit of the 100 post requirement.  It will give the community some time to get to know people a little better, and to make sure that everyone involved is truly here for the knowledge and camaraderie that makes a great forum of any type.  I always try to add something to whatever topic I'm on, but I'll admit, I'm guilty of "me too!" type postings.  Heck, I'm almost 40, and to be honest I'm a relative newcomer to the actual performance of magic.  I've studied it, and of course watched my fair share over the years, but until I started working at my bar, I've never really tried to learn to perform much.  I'm just thankful that forums like this exist where I can find other people that enjoy "talking shop" so to speak. 


I'm sure that you'll have access to the Session Room well before the 100 post requirement [smile]

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I've said it a couple of times already, as indeed have others, but an echo won't come amiss.
I think it's a very sensible idea, which, when I read that back is an understatement.

I'm willing to guess that all "100 Qualifiers" thus far are there on merit; also that the Moderators have no cause to regret any early "inductees".
Only a guess, though.


Indeed. The fellas who have reached 100 posts and those who've been given access before reaching the 100 post "requirement" have all proven to be outstanding gentlemen... knowledgeable, respectful, friendly and generous with their thoughts and ideas. I'm so pleased with the community that we've built (are building) together.

I'm glad that you're a part of it, Blathermist [smile]

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I don't have a problem with the requirement, heck, I wish the I-B-M still had the requirement to have two sponsors.   
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Like they say patience is a virtue.
I can remember when people didn't even have TVs, cell phones,and internet. I can even remember getting in the car and drive downtown to watch TV through a department store window.

We live in an time of immediate gratification. My granddad use to say "anything worth while doesn't come overnight".

Heck! I have less than 150 post on the Magic Cafe and I signed up when they first started. I don't see much benefit in just running up your post count. If you have something to contribute then post it. 

How many "me too" post have you seen? It just clutters up the meaningful stuff.

As far as ever gaining access to the secret area, I really don't care. I know/own more magic than I could ever preform.

I'll get off my soap box now.
 
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    So when did you actually, specifically, put a stop to learning? Was it a year ago? five years ago? Ten years ago? Just curious as to what you may have been missing; aren't you?

     None of my business, obviously, but I'm going to take a chance and say that I'm sure that I know (don't know about "own") more card magic than you do and/or than I could ever perform, but - even with all that knowledge, and at my age, I'm still learning - and enjoying that learning. I've written a bit about that in the Foreword of JAW DROPPERS!. If I didn't care
I'd never have been able to devise those "jaw droppers."

     Okay; sorry - better get off MY soap box now!

(PS: Don't know if I "copied" your granddad or if he copied me - but I've written it so many times in my books when teaching a specific sleight or whatever - "Nothing worthwhile comes easily."
    
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