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How odd. I have seen that exact phrase today in a book I was reading by Bruce Elliott! Yep, "nothing worthwhile come easily"
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    Ah, yes - must have learned it from Bruce. Bruce and I were good friends. Show you how far back we go - I was just starting to do my memory act, and one of the things I wanted to do was to memorize every page of a current magazine.

     Bruce was working for a magazine at the time - and I'm betting that few of you reading this will remember ... that in those days a couple, or more, magazines were being published in "pocket size." That is, much, much, smaller than magazines are today - no, not in number of pages, but in about 6 x 9 inches "size."

      Anyway, it was a weekly, and most Fridays I'd go to Bruce's office and he'd give me a batch of the recent issue - so that I could memorize the issue, and then tear them down the center and hand out pages to members of my audiences. Other times, he'd bring them to me after work so we could spend some time together - dinner, drinks, whatever.

     Oh, and yeah, memorizing every detail of every page of an entire magazine every week was a bit of work - but, hey - nothing worthwhile comes easily!



     

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You can all blame Bruce Elliott for getting me started in magic! Sheer fate. I have often wondered how a chance happening can affect someone's whole life. Just a tiny, tiny quirk of fate. I happened to see his book "Magic as a Hobby" on  a library bookshelf when I was nearly 13 years old. If I had just looked on a different shelf my whole life would have been different. I took the book out and couldn't do a damn trick in it! Most of the items required props that were like nothing on earth and not something you would find in the average home. I think they were really extracts from the Sphinx magazine that he edited. Not something a 13 year old kid would be able to do easily. But from there I got hooked and oddly and coincidentally read another book by another of Harry's friends, John Scarne which made things much easier for me because this book had tricks with normal everyday objects in it.

The best thing in Bruce's book was the foreword by Orson Welles where he thundered about the death of magic being nigh with all the exposure going around. He would be turning in his grave if he saw the way things are nowadays.

Later I read other books by Bruce Elliott and they were much better for me and I learned an awful lot from them. I had a feeling that Harry knew him well because in his Classic Secrets of Card Magic there is an ambitious card routine which although different from Harry's does have a lot of the same sequences so I think there must have been some influence coming from Bruce which infiltrated Harry's routine.

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    Or vice versa.
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What I mean by "I know/own more magic than I could ever preform". Was to say  I have bought so much stuff on impulse it isn't funny.

I try to learn something new everyday (not necessarily magic relate).

Unfortunately, I just learned
today that I may need a stent put in my heart . [frown]

I'll know tomorrow. But on the bright side, its better than a by-pass.
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Yes Russ, at least they don't have to open you up for a stent. Glad you found the problem, that's why they call it the silent killer.
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Mr. Danny,
I suppose you are right about that.

I don't recommend getting old to any body.

I tell people if I knew I was going to live this long I would have taken better care of myself.[smile]
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   Just curious, Russ - I'm 90 years old...are you younger or older than I am?
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Harry,
I am 71.
I hope to live into my 90's.
But not as my two granddads did. I wouldn't call it liven. One died of prostrate cancer and the other died of a heart attack.

I tell folks that "if you hang around long enough something is bound to get you".
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    Ahh, to be 71 again!!
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I am also 71. I do not like it...............

And they tell me now my kidney function is getting worse. I do not recommend getting old and if some idiot remarks "It is better than the alternative" I shall be very rude indeed. I have heard it before you know and it doesn't get any funnier.

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My friend and I retired from the same company at the same time.
I told him "it doesn't get any better than this".
It's all downhill from here on out.

No, it isn't funny when it happens to you.
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Mind you, having said all that I can still work full pelt doing sometimes 10 hour days at psychic fairs, pitching svengalis and trade shows. I do make sure I have a seat available though. I found out about 30 years ago that if I worked seated when selling svengalis it made no difference whatsoever to sales. Even when I do trade shows I make sure there is some sort of stool available. I don't always use it but I have to have it there.

Oddly enough I can go 8 to 10 hours at a consumer or trade show without getting tired but after 45 minutes of a kid show I am exhausted!

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I can only hope I'm going as strong as you guys are when I hit that age.  I'm only 40, but there's days I feel like I'm 80.  
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   And I'm too young to feel this old!
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I'm writing this at the request of my wife.  I was telling her how much I'm enjoying this site, and that I'm looking forward to getting to know other magicians, and brainstorm ideas.  

When I casually mentioned the 100 post requirement, she said, "You tell them...", and honest, I'm quoting her now, "You have been my husband for 40 years, and I know how good a magician you are.  I'll vouch for you!"  

And I agreed to share her thought (which is part of the reason we've got 40 years in).

So she can vouch for me.  [smile]

Jeff

 

I would like yo use your reasoning but I don't think my wife would agree that I am a good magician :-(

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Hope I don't sound "uppity" but a week or so ago, an email was sent out about a free session with Steve Reynolds coming up soon for the special secret forum members. I signed up for Steve's email list and I responded to his follow-up email and a short email conversation ensued 
When I told him that I did not think I would make the cut for his special lecture, he kindly offered to ask to let me in! (How nice). But I told him that while I appreciated it, I thought that the 100 posts rule was a good rule as it was there for a good reason.

The reason is that while I do agree that some flexibility is needed on a case to case basis, rules are usually made for good reasons - to make us think very hard before we break or bend them. 

For me, there is already so much magic that I have not had time to read, view or practice. Missing out on some excellent free lectures and tips is not the going to end my world. :-) Just my 2 cents

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Hope I don't sound "uppity" but a week or so ago, an email was sent out about a free session with Steve Reynolds coming up soon for the special secret forum members. I signed up for Steve's email list and I responded to his follow-up email and a short email conversation ensued 
When I told him that I did not think I would make the cut for his special lecture, he kindly offered to ask to let me in! (How nice). But I told him that while I appreciated it, I thought that the 100 posts rule was a good rule as it was there for a good reason.

The reason is that while I do agree that some flexibility is needed on a case to case basis, rules are usually made for good reasons - to make us think very hard before we break or bend them. 

For me, there is already so much magic that I have not had time to read, view or practice. Missing out on some excellent free lectures and tips is not the going to end my world. :-) Just my 2 cents



Thanks Paul. I appreciate that.

I've given access to the Session Room to quite a few of our members who have proven to be friendly, respectful and have actually engaged in the conversations that are taking place here.

You fit in nicely!

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Hope I don't sound "uppity" but a week or so ago, an email was sent out about a free session with Steve Reynolds coming up soon for the special secret forum members. I signed up for Steve's email list and I responded to his follow-up email and a short email conversation ensued 
When I told him that I did not think I would make the cut for his special lecture, he kindly offered to ask to let me in! (How nice). But I told him that while I appreciated it, I thought that the 100 posts rule was a good rule as it was there for a good reason.

The reason is that while I do agree that some flexibility is needed on a case to case basis, rules are usually made for good reasons - to make us think very hard before we break or bend them. 

For me, there is already so much magic that I have not had time to read, view or practice. Missing out on some excellent free lectures and tips is not the going to end my world. :-) Just my 2 cents



I doubt I'll ever make it through what I have.  A few of Mr. Lorayne's books, several volumes of the Tops, The Gen, and Magigram, as well as several videos that I own, and what's popping up on Aaron Fisher's site.  You know you're addicted to magic books when your Kindle is so full, you can't get anymore on it!
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hello guys im the living proof that you dont actually needs those 100, (maybe im 100 right now i dont know ahaha) but i never asked for it i just asked hey what i nedd to do to be on the secret room? and Rudy asnwer me " you need 100 post" i said hey nice i will do my best to become a member and i started to post and to share iddeas , tricks, etc (you can look for my posts) and some day after rudy told me hey  nico you looks like a good person and you are sharing a lot here is the pasword! "Dave Verner" and hey i got acces [smile] but i didnt asked for it i just started to be a part of this communitty and to be that you dont need that acces in fact i posted one thing into secret session all my other post are from open forum [smile]

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Over 1/3 of the way there. Hot damn! [smile]

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I also did not have to have 100 posts to be granted access to the Secret Forum. Since then I already reached that "milestone" and have continued posting whenever I can.
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I also did not have to have 100 posts to be granted access to the Secret Forum. Since then I already reached that "milestone" and have continued posting whenever I can.


Sometimes such things happen by "magic"
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I believe privileges should be earned. Hi guys! My name is Doug and I will gladly contribute 100 posts before being allowed access! I like this place...

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In the big green forum I almost never go the secret sessions so I am perfectly willing wait. As with all things in magic the secret isn't the most important part!

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Well, since I am averaging one post a month, I shall probably be dead before I reach 100 posts.  I met Dai Vernon in a bar once.  I own six books autographed by Mr. Lorayne.  I won a costume contest at the Magic Castle two years ago on Soapy Smith Night.

Teller_and_BB.jpg  Maybe Teller would vouch for me.  Does any of this qualify me as a real magician?

Seriously, 100 posts is too much for many of us.


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Hi Everyone,

One of my main goals in building this forum was to create an active community for magicians to share their thoughts and ideas with each other in a friendly and respectful environment.

I don't mind if some of our members choose to sit back and enjoy the conversations from a distance. But I really must insist that it's the contributing members of this forum that are given access to the material and secrets that are being freely shared there.

100 posts (in my opinion) is really not asking much. As Nico, Luigimar and several other members can attest to, I've given access to the Session Room to folks way before reaching 100 posts. But only to those who I feel are here for the right reasons and desire to become a contributing/active member of our community.

That may mean that we may never become as big as other forums, but that's fine with me.

I love the fact that when we have a video session, we know each other on a first name basis [smile]

I think we've got a great thing going!

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Okay, then.  I shall speak up when I have something to add to a discussion that isn't redundant.  Honestly, though, I am being made to feel like an unwanted stepchild simply because I don't spend all day on the boards.
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No pain. No gain.

Rudy set a milestone in order to gain access.

Is it fair to just grant access to someone that just posts sporadically, and doesn't spend all day on the boards the same access as those that are actively contributing?

That's like working someplace for 40 years accumulating your raises to the point that you are in a position of management and are able to have a comfortable living. Then someone gets hired at an entry level position and are making more than you are.
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Okay, then.  I shall speak up when I have something to add to a discussion that isn't redundant.  Honestly, though, I am being made to feel like an unwanted stepchild simply because I don't spend all day on the boards.


Hi Bill,

Sorry if I came off that way. I'm very happy that you're here and don't want anyone to feel like they're not welcome.

I assure you that our Inner Circle members have families and careers (myself included) that are more important than a magic forum. They don't hang out here all day, but have still managed to engage in enough conversations to have gained access to the Session Room.

Thanks again for listening.

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    And billmarq, I welcome your posts/opinions/remarks as I always did.
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There is much good magic posted to categories in addition to The Session Room.
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Thank you for the kind words, Mr. Lorayne.

And this will be my final comment on the topic at hand:

I support 100% the idea of vetting people before allowing access to the "private" areas.  

However, I believe 100 posts is too high of a standard. That is my only real point. I will not make posts just for the purpose of getting in, therefor I shall likely never get in, even though I am a serious student of the craft and have been for most of the last fifty years.  Good luck and carry on.  I will be around commenting when I feel I have something worthwhile to say.

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I am looking forward to the day when I have earned access. My problem right now is that I have nothing really to contribute to anyone. Being so new to magic, I learn much more than I can teach, if that makes sense.
I don't think 100 posts are too much. Maybe when I finally get there, I'll know enough to actually use what everyone is posting about. LoL
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Don't feel discouraged, guys. There will be a FREE session for everyone with Steven Youell soon (it will not take place inside the Session -secret- Room), so don't forget to vote and later, register for the event. Look for that thread somewhere else...

http://www.themagiciansforum.com/post/lecture-date-for-steven-youell-8079844

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How odd. I have seen that exact phrase today in a book I was reading by Bruce Elliott! Yep, "nothing worthwhile come easily"


I wouldn't say "nothing" -- I've gotten some amazing things for free over the years -- but I agree with the general principle.

Here's the version that I like to remember when something is difficult:
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...it must be remembered if feats at card-handling could be attained for the asking there would be little in such performance to interest or profit any one.
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Hi Everyone, One of my main goals in building this forum was to create an active community for magicians to share their thoughts and ideas with each other in a friendly and respectful environment. I don't mind if some of our members choose to sit back and enjoy the conversations from a distance. But I really must insist that it's the contributing members of this forum that are given access to the material and secrets that are being freely shared there. 100 posts (in my opinion) is really not asking much. As Nico, Luigimar and several other members can attest to, I've given access to the Session Room to folks way before reaching 100 posts. But only to those who I feel are here for the right reasons and desire to become a contributing/active member of our community. That may mean that we may never become as big as other forums, but that's fine with me. I love the fact that when we have a video session, we know each other on a first name basis [smile] I think we've got a great thing going! Rudy


We've got quite a few new members so I thought that I'd bump this post.

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I think Rudy and the other moderators do a fantastic job of judging whether people are here to share or not.   Carry on!

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If I might (ever so delicately and respectfully suggest) that part of being a meaningful and insightful contributor to the Forum is to acknowledge and comment upon posts by other members wherein the member has clearly put some thought and time into them, and has clearly made an effort to share with and help others. That way, the ideas set forth in members' posts can be further discussed and developed, and bear fruit that everyone can enjoy and learn from, rather than withering on the vine.
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If I might (ever so delicately and respectfully suggest) that part of being a meaningful and insightful contributor to the Forum is to acknowledge and comment upon posts by other members wherein the member has clearly put some thought and time into them, and has clearly made an effort to share with and help others. That way, the ideas set forth in members' posts can be further discussed and developed, and bear fruit that everyone can enjoy and learn from, rather than withering on the vine.


Absolutely [smile]

I most definitely take that into account before granting access to the Session Room. Thanks Magic-Aly

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Everyone has something to contribute, whether it's information or a question to get a conversation started.  If you're new don't be afraid to ask questions, that's how you learn. 
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I've said it a couple of times already, as indeed have others, but an echo won't come amiss.
I think it's a very sensible idea, which, when I read that back is an understatement.

I'm willing to guess that all "100 Qualifiers" thus far are there on merit; also that the Moderators have no cause to regret any early "inductees".
Only a guess, though.


You're correct, Blathermist.

All those who have gained access to the Session Room have proven to be valuable contributors to the conversations that are taking place in there. Many of them have actually become genuine friends of mine [smile]

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As someone new to this (for me) hobby, I'm actually okay with not having access to "secret" areas of the forum without having at least 100 posts.

I have a lot more rudimentary techniques to learn and perfect before even considering the more advanced and intriquite tricks.

I think limiting the amount of information given to someone who is new isn't a bad thing to do. There is too much information out there that when starting its very possible to become a jack of all tricks / master of nothing too quickly.
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TonyB, I was moved by your post.  Even if you are new to magic, you have shown unusual  wisdom and humility, attributes that are bound to serve you (and your audiences) well on your magical journey.
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As someone new to this (for me) hobby, I'm actually okay with not having access to "secret" areas of the forum without having at least 100 posts. I have a lot more rudimentary techniques to learn and perfect before even considering the more advanced and intriquite tricks. I think limiting the amount of information given to someone who is new isn't a bad thing to do. There is too much information out there that when starting its very possible to become a jack of all tricks / master of nothing too quickly.


I'm glad that you're here TonyB and appreciate you're understanding. You're here for all the right reasons and I look forward to getting to know you better!

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