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Not everyone who is into magic is a magician.  

They are some people who are collectors, others are magical enthusiasts, some perform for friends and family now and again etc. etc.  Magic is an art which can be enjoyed in many different ways.

I see magic as an opportunity to connect with others, create a moment of astonishment for the people I meet and work with - magic is my life, I consider myself a magician and I do something for someone every day.

How about you?

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That begs the question.." what exactly is a magician "?

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Another great point you have made Logan...

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I'd say that some are born to do magic at a early age, I remember as a child, trying to move objects with my mind. Also I was attracted to a magic kit at the local drugstore that I wanted for the longest time. My mother got it for my birthday, I was SO happy.

I also think one is a magician if they lead a "magical" lifestyle, it's not needed but it helps.

That's all I can think of at the moment..I'll have some time to think about it more and when others chime in.


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Jeff McBride expresses the sentiments expressed above i.e. "Be a magician 24/7" I think the goal of doing magic for at least one person every day is an excellent one. I have to admit that I don't do that yet. But I think I should.

Someone recently posted something along the lines of "When someone asks what you do, say 'I'm a magician' and say it with pride and your head held high." 

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It is helpful to hear how various people react to the 24/7 magician idea. It is my own problem, but I still feel many people cringing, or I think they will, if I say "Let me show you a card trick." I don't do that. I might say, "Can I show you some magic." I do that on occasion. I can just walk up and get into something, "Did you see these two coins when you sat down here? I was over here a while ago and I had two coins (like these)and then when I left I just had one." (Coin unique or flipper coin.)

Yet I must admit, I am still mostly in the mode of I won't perform unless they ask for something....when I am just living and not performing for hire. 

Just for my own fun from time to time, I put down my exact change after a purchase and smoke pours from my hand.....and I just walk away. It gives me pleasure.

I will use some pocket magic to sooth a crying child or a suffering person or to bring a little joy...I suspect Jeff McBride does that with delight many moments more than I! He blesses life!

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Hi Fred - I totally relate to how you feel about busting out the cards with a "watch me." I'm trying to overcome the feeling that you allude to in that regard because I know that, with a proper intro, magic can be done without creating the "cringing" feeling you mention. Garrett Thomas is a good example of someone who can inject magic into a casual setting without seeming to be saying "hey watch me. I'm really cool." He verbalizes his philosophy to the people he's about to perform for. He makes them realize that he's giving them a gift. When we can realize that this is what we could be doing too, we'll be able to find items of magic that we can do spontaneously in the world on a daily basis. The truth is that with a proper set-up we are giving them a gift. It's something they'll talk about to others. It brightens someone's day. 

I have gotten into the habit of performing the prediction trick with three imaginary coins that was under discussion here awhile back, for the person who waits on me at a restaurant or cafe. It's quick, fun and intriguing. The premise is that I have made a prediction about choices they're going to make. I always ask "Could you help me with a quick experiment?" The word "magic" isn't used.

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Not everyone wants to perform, while some who want to never do. This is true for magicians as well as many other "performing" artists. For some it is simply about the pleasure of the pursuit rather than the accolades of an audience. (This category being more akin to a collector.) For some it is an unwillingness or inability to overcome the considerable anxiety of exposing themselves to the judgments of others. (This can be guided by natural temperament, phobias, or several other valid reasons.) Failure is debilitating to some and exhilarating to others; it can either motivate or deflate depending on a variety of factors. Anyone who has ever heard the mortifying phrase, "Don't quit your day job!" is less apt to try, try again. (Personally I would love to ban that phrase from usage. If you cannot encourage, then at least don't discourage. Remember: Robert Johnson was considered a hack until he went down to the crossroads!) 

I think that anyone who studies the art of magic, diligently practices, and performs for anyone, including only themselves, may rightly refer to themselves as a magician.

Personally I am a casual performer of card magic and mentalism. I also use magic as a tool in my profession as a freelance trainer. I readily admit that performing casually is sometimes frightening since a) when I perform I act as an emissary and representative to the art of magic and never want to let it down, b) people can sometimes be critical to the point of cruelty, and c) as an introvert I am not always in the right mood or frame of mind to properly perform, but am sometimes compelled to do so anyway. (For those occasions I have a metaphorical pocketful of "go to" effects that require little finger-flinging and lots of audience participation. Afterwards I am exhausted, but also satisfied that I didn't let either magic or the audience down.) 

When performing while training adult learners, I always feel confident and in the zone. Perhaps that's because I am not performing as a magician, but as a trainer who uses magic to make points and stimulate thought and discussion.

For me magic is a hobby, a passion, something I love and think about often. Perhaps not 24/7, but certainly a great of the time. Am I a magician? I think so. 

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I have gotten into the habit of performing the prediction trick with three imaginary coins that was under discussion here awhile back, for the person who waits on me at a restaurant or cafe.



I assume you are referring to Eugene Burger's little miracle? My intro to this is to ask if they are Harry Potter fans.... and then stating that the gateway to magic is the imagination.

But I had an idea while reading your post.... not as impromptu but wonder of it would garner a larger response or the equivalent to the coin usage.

What if you had two red aces (in a Mercury fold) prepared and held as in the original coin version..... the spec is asked to imagine three cards - two red aces and the Ace of Spades. Follow the plot as with the cards and either produce the proper folded card from your mouth! (or from some other location that would not tip the method used during the prologue.....

Just brainstorming.....

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I assume you are referring to Eugene Burger's little miracle? My intro to this is to ask if they are Harry Potter fans.... and then stating that the gateway to magic is the imagination.

But I had an idea while reading your post.... not as impromptu but wonder of it would garner a larger response or the equivalent to the coin usage.

What if you had two red aces (in a Mercury fold) prepared and held as in the original coin version..... the spec is asked to imagine three cards - two red aces and the Ace of Spades.

They are then asked to choose one then fold it into quarters.....

Follow the plot as with the cards and either produce the proper folded card from your mouth! (or from some other location that would not tip the method used during the prologue.....

Just brainstorming.....

Tommy

 



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It is interesting to read your comments, thanks for sharing.

There are many ways in which you can perform magic on a daily basis without having to ask "can I show you some magic?"

Think about the different places you frequent during your week and the materials/props available to you in these arenas. You can be set to perform seemingly impromptu effects by planning ahead.

A lot of people in magic like to do card tricks and would love the opportunity to perform for someone.

In 'Crosthwaite's Cunning Close-Up' Roger mentions how he would sit at a restuarant/cafe table and play around with a deck of cards, doing flourishes, cuts, fans, and would then deal himself the aces, lose them in the deck and reproduce them etc. etc. He noted people would become curious and ask him what he was up to, he would then capitalize on their interest and show them something.

This is something simple that anyone who performs card tricks can go out and do.
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Socrates Wrote: "I see magic as an opportunity to connect with others, create a moment of astonishment for the people I meet and work with - magic is my life, I consider myself a magician and I do something for someone every day.

How about you?"

Yes, I think of it in much the same way.  As time goes on, I see my goal as a magician to make people feel good, uplift them, inspire them, empower them in some way. It might sometimes be nothing more than to make them smile or laugh and take them away from the daily cares and stresses they face in everyday life. When I see a face light up, it brings me great joy. It is a gift for me; and a gift for them.

Magic is definitely 24/7 for me.  There is no line of demarcation for me between a quick trick done for a child, or for a cashier in a store, or a teller at at bank and performing at a paid gig. In other words, I see being a magician as a state of being more than as something "I do." When I am about to pay with a credit card in a store, I usually Tenkai vanish the card before reproducing it to pay, or when I receive change back I will vanish and/or do a couple sleights with a coin. If I am signing something, I like to do a quick trick with the pen (toss vanish or sleeve it). So many times, just for little things like this, a brief shared moment, I have had people say, "You made my day."  And that makes mine.

PS I do not generally prefer to ask people whether I can show them a trick or even whether I can show them "something," or to ask permission.  I find that, psychologically, it puts an unwanted layer between what is about to happen and what does happen. A layer that is best not to have to penetrate and which may be an undesirable filter to have to permeate.  They engage their brain in a sort of analytical or even defensive mode that I do not want to be present at the moment of magic.

I used to be nervous, anxious or fearful in approaching people to do magic, and i think t was because I knew I was going to ask them if I could, thus setting myself up for rejection.  No more. Now, whether walking up to a table in the restaurant, a couple at a cocktail party, encountering anyone anywhere, I just "do it" (as the people at Nike might say). Merlin, Harry Potter or Dumbledoor would not ask if they can do magic. What they are and what they do are one and the same. There is no chance for rejection or any shifting into a rational decision-making or analytical mode on the part of the spectator.  

As just one example among many, I have found that it comes as a wonderful surprise when I am holding a small piece of paper and a lighter, ignite the paper without a word, and pluck an old silver dollar from the flames. Most of the time, they will want to see more, be delighted and/or curious, and be the ones to engage me, rather than me being the one to try to ask for entry into their sphere. There is, in those instances, no apology, insecurity, fear of being rejected; no barrier or differentiation between the being and the doing...
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Another motivated item to perform is Pat Page's money trick, now known as Hundy 500, Heiny etc... I have the gaff set to change from five ones to five tens. Now, when the person at the register say, "That's $6.50." I spread the five ones and say, "Uh oh. I only have five dollars...." But don't worry, I'm a magician. Watch.." Now I have five tens and give one to cover the purchase. All I have to do is replace the spent ten and I'm ready to go again. 

The best feature is that it's a motivated bit of business. 

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That's a lovely idea with the one and tens. And yes, of course, any time the effect is motivated, that is a significant enhancement.
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Not everyone who is into magic is a magician.  

They are some people who are collectors, others are magical enthusiasts, some perform for friends and family now and again etc. etc.  Magic is an art which can be enjoyed in many different ways.



I agree with you... i don't like to perform, i'm not an entertainer, but i love magic. Some weeks ago i was at a friend's house, about 20 guests, and as usual they asked me to do some trick. I had my deck, i performed two tricks, they got interested in magic and they asked me many things. I spoke about magic for 2 hours, as they were keeping asking me things.

I don't like to perform, i'm not an entertainer.... but isn't this entertainment?

And at the end i gave the deck as a gift to the guest, and i've teached him few automatic tricks.

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What is a magician?

McBride and Burger have previously delved into that...

http://secretartjournal.com/the-many-faces-of-the-magician/
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What is a magician?
A magician is a miracle worker. Someone who can perform inexplicable mysteries- anytime, anywhere, 24 hours a day. Or at least that is the portrayal. Someone who lives his life as a magician. Ala Max Malini.
Eugene Burger defines it best in my opinion.
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I think if someone sees you do something at it is magical enough to call you a magician, then youre a magician. And i agree with what Socrates said.

A woman talked to me on the sidewalk after having seen me in a dance production, so i consider myself a dancer.
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Thanks for linking the essay on 'The Many Faces of The Magician' Steve. Reading the essay and all the replies on this thread has given me a lot to contemplate.

It seems to me doing magic has a great advantage over pure mentalism - magicians can perform quick visual effects anytime, anywhere.

The other bonus of taking the 24/7 approach is the people in your local community begin to know you as a magician and this can lead to many bookings.
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