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Don't let the tag line of the article fool you [wink]

https://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/a33336282/magic-tricks-explained-steinmeyer/
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Thanks for the link Jack. Reading this article reminded me of why I appreciate Jim Steinmeyer and his creative wisdom. This article has given me much to consider... the thinkers and creators of magic are most stimulating, how lucky we are!
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Jim gave an outstanding lecture a couple of weeks ago to SAM. It’s on their website. Well worth watching. John Green
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This was a great article and his lecture is on the SAM site and that is excellent as well.
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The link from the OP is only available to PM subscribers, I think. At least, that's what I got when I clicked the link; the content was blocked. 
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The link from the OP is only available to PM subscribers, I think. At least, that's what I got when I clicked the link; the content was blocked. 


Same here, couldn't read it.  The video of him changing the card was visible, and is unfortunate because if you watch it a couple of times, the back is clearly gaffed.  That is the trouble with committing some things to video.  I realize most wouldn't see it, but it stuck out like a sore thumb to me and I'm sure to many magi.
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I'm sorry, It was open when I posted it. I honestly just discovered it from my google news feed. 

The WHOLE article was there yesterday. I'm not trying to shine people on I promise!

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I have nothing to say but I have ZERO stock in popular mechanics. I just thought the piece was cool
 
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A few excerpts that struck me as interesting:

"Part of the challenge is that a trick has to tell a story, because magic above all is about storytelling. And the stories involve multiple layers of deception. “There are three scripts in a magic show,” he explains. “There’s the script where you ostensibly say what’s happening, which is often a lie. Then simultaneous with that, there’s the script of what you’re actually doing, so there’s a divergent thing where you’re saying one thing and you’re doing something else. And then there’s the script of how you’re maneuvering the audience through the act.”

"There are 24 notebooks, 100 pages each. Counting both sides of a page, that’s 4,800 pages dating back to 1980 or ’81. Steinmeyer shows them to no one. His job is to “think of something completely impossible, then figure out a way to apparently accomplish it”—and that process can be messy. It usually involves revision upon revision, sometimes over several years. “What happens,” he says, “is that an idea branches—you start working on something and you go, ‘Oh, it would really be good if it was like this.’ And you pursue that for a little while and you go, ‘Yeah, that’s not right.’ And then you go back and you pursue this for a little while, and this starts working. Well, those”—he points to a stack of notebooks—“are all that. So when I abandon something because it’s not working, I can go back and find it. There are no dead ends.”

“Every trick has a flaw,” he says. “If it didn’t, it wouldn’t be a trick, it would be reality"... For magic to accomplish the impossible—making something disappear—a “flaw” in the magic has to be hidden, like a trick mirror or special compartment. If a magician can’t conceal this secret, the trick is worthless"
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I'm sorry, It was open when I posted it. I honestly just discovered it from my google news feed. 

The WHOLE article was there yesterday. I'm not trying to shine people on I promise!



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A few excerpts that struck me as interesting:

"Part of the challenge is that a trick has to tell a story, because magic above all is about storytelling. And the stories involve multiple layers of deception. “There are three scripts in a magic show,” he explains. “There’s the script where you ostensibly say what’s happening, which is often a lie. Then simultaneous with that, there’s the script of what you’re actually doing, so there’s a divergent thing where you’re saying one thing and you’re doing something else. And then there’s the script of how you’re maneuvering the audience through the act.”

"There are 24 notebooks, 100 pages each. Counting both sides of a page, that’s 4,800 pages dating back to 1980 or ’81. Steinmeyer shows them to no one. His job is to “think of something completely impossible, then figure out a way to apparently accomplish it”—and that process can be messy. It usually involves revision upon revision, sometimes over several years. “What happens,” he says, “is that an idea branches—you start working on something and you go, ‘Oh, it would really be good if it was like this.’ And you pursue that for a little while and you go, ‘Yeah, that’s not right.’ And then you go back and you pursue this for a little while, and this starts working. Well, those”—he points to a stack of notebooks—“are all that. So when I abandon something because it’s not working, I can go back and find it. There are no dead ends.”

“Every trick has a flaw,” he says. “If it didn’t, it wouldn’t be a trick, it would be reality"... For magic to accomplish the impossible—making something disappear—a “flaw” in the magic has to be hidden, like a trick mirror or special compartment. If a magician can’t conceal this secret, the trick is worthless"


The last part is similar to a quote I've seen attributed to a famous magician who's name escapes me at the moment, but he said something like "every trick has a discrepancy".
For example, the classic Crosscut Force has a discrepancy, what you do and what you appear to do are different.  In order to hide or obfuscate the discrepancy, magicians will usually use time misdirection (hoping they forget) or some sort of movement of the packets (hoping they lose track of what's what).

So the challenge is to look at a trick and figure out what the flaw or discrepancy is and work to eliminate as best you can.  When you can do that, the magic improves.
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Sometimes the flaw can be hidden in plain sight... but the real magic is to understand how to alter perceptions and interrupt, or redirect the thought-process of those watching - with something like the cross-cut force we use time misdirection, but what we do during that time is the real key to success.
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I don't know what a PM subscriber is, unless, of course it's "Popular Mechanics," but no matter, I got the whole thing with no problems. There was an "Accept Cookies"  thingummy, but that's all.

I prefer discrepancies to flaws. I'm not famous, so Rayj clearly wasn't referring to me. [smile]

However, I have been saying the same thing since forever.

All tricks/moves/subtleties have at least one discrepancy. They wouldn't be tricks otherwise. The Cross-Cut Force is a fair example. Ii's out in the open, but that doesn't matter, done right.
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Here you have an interesting psicological experiment about the Cross-Cut Force, you may enjoy it:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/341805108_The_Apparent_Action_Causation_Using_a_magician_forcing_technique_to_investigate_our_illusory_sense_of_agency_over_the_outcome_of_our_choices

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