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marc_carrion

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Hi, I learned mnemonica long ago following the steps in Tamariz's book (coloring the cards, singing the song, ...)

Recently I learned the first 26 cards of Memorandum (Woody's stack). He walked me through his memorization process (in the book)

Learning the 26 cards in Woody's stack was easier than learning the first 13 on Tamariz. After this I keep wondering why some people keep making excuses to learn a stack. It's really easier than most think. The 'difficult' part in Woody's process is to come up with the 'association' for each number (it does not use peg word system). I had tried David and Sarah Trustman method (it did not work for me).

So, I thought about a list of 'items' that can be used (at least in the US):
1. We have 45 presidents (ok, 44 as one is repeated, but that's easy to remember) (add whoever you think should be the next 7, or the 9 supreme court justices)
2. We have 50 states (51 if you add Puerto Rico)

1. George Washington visited Alabama, but forgot his hat and was wearing a big Spade in his head that made him look like a jack***
2. John Adams, froze to death playing golf in Alaska. He was in the seven hole, and using a seven iron to start the hole... he deserved to freeze
3. ... you get the idea

I did not grew in the US and never learned the states or presidents, but for someone that grew up here it should not be different. Also, there may be some known facts from the presidents that you can build in into the story.

I can not be objective (because I've already memorized them) but it would be good if someone that is starting wants to try this method and report if it helped 😉

Marc
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Hi, I learned mnemonica long ago following the steps in Tamariz's book (coloring the cards, singing the song, ...)

Recently I learned the first 26 cards of Memorandum (Woody's stack). He walked me through his memorization process (in the book)

Learning the 26 cards in Woody's stack was easier than learning the first 13 on Tamariz. After this I keep wondering why some people keep making excuses to learn a stack. It's really easier than most think.


Hi Marc,

I completely agree that learning a stack is easier than most people might think. Especially when you apply Harry’s memory system. I truly believe that his method makes memorization a breeze. If anyone is interested, I would gladly email you my list of peg words. I adjusted some of them so that they would paint a more clear picture of some of the cards in my brain.


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    I think I mentioned this on a different thread - somewhere, aside from the literally thousands of testimonials, letters, over the decades that I threw out each time I moved over the last decade - and among a bunch of emails that are somewhere on my computer - one comes to mind. A man who is NOT INTO MAGIC AT ALL emails to tell me that after he learned my systems, my Peg Words, he memorized a shuffled deck of cards - learning numerical positions in the deck, etc. - IN FIVE MINUTES! And he's not into magic.

     Coincidentally; I just received a royalty statement, and check, in the mail. My books have sold millions of copies all over the world. So what's interesting to me is that, who knows, maybe millions of magicians who want to memorize decks of cards - never bought/borrowed/stole/read one of my books in which I TEACH HOW TO MEMORIZE CARDS. Interesting to me - should be interesting to you, too!
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Hi Mr. Lorayne, I know your methods have worked for millions of people (magicians and non-magicians alike), and I tried, but to me it was always difficult to remember my number/letter association and then the word. I think different the brains of different people work differently. That's why there are so many different theories on education pathways. I could not make your system work for me, Tamariz's system took me a while to get the hang on, but it worked, Woody's system clicked right away. Those methods would not work to memorize a shuffled deck in minutes, or to remember a list of random items, but for a deck of cards that you have the luxury to memorize on the comfort of your home, they worked for me 😉

Anyhow, thanks for ALL your contributions to Magic!! I do have several of your books and enjoy the effects and your writing style. 

Marc
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    I think I mentioned this on a different thread - somewhere, aside from the literally thousands of testimonials, letters, over the decades that I threw out each time I moved over the last decade - and among a bunch of emails that are somewhere on my computer - one comes to mind. A man who is NOT INTO MAGIC AT ALL emails to tell me that after he learned my systems, my Peg Words, he memorized a shuffled deck of cards - learning numerical positions in the deck, etc. - IN FIVE MINUTES! And he's not into magic.

     Coincidentally; I just received a royalty statement, and check, in the mail. My books have sold millions of copies all over the world. So what's interesting to me is that, who knows, maybe millions of magicians who want to memorize decks of cards - never bought/borrowed/stole/read one of my books in which I TEACH HOW TO MEMORIZE CARDS. Interesting to me - should be interesting to you, too!



Harry, you’ve had many memory books published over the years, is there a specific book you’d be able to recommend that stands above all?

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   No, not really. Page-A-Minute Memory Book is shorter, more to the point - (I copied the idea of One-Minute Manager) but all will teach you my systems. Super Memory-Super Student! does not teach how to remember cards - most of my other books do.
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   No, not really. Page-A-Minute Memory Book is shorter, more to the point - (I copied the idea of One-Minute Manager) but all will teach you my systems. Super Memory-Super Student! does not teach how to remember cards - most of my other books do.


Thanks Harry, I like succinctness, so I’m going to read your Page-A-Minute Memory Book and improve my memory skill set.
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So first, just to pay credit where it's due; first of all, I don't own any Harry Lorayne books [yet], but if you google his name, you get 1st a bunch of testimonials about his memorization methods, then a bunch of testimonials about how amazing of a magician he is, then you get testimonials about how amazing of a teacher he is... and he has published books on learning to memorize for the purpose of magic. I know I'm basically repeating Harry's comments from earlier in this thread, but when the comments come from someone else, sometimes they mean more. Seriously, google his name.

Now, back to the original post; I am also a teacher, though not nearly as prolific as Harry. But a big part of my continued training involves repeatedly improving my teaching methods and being able to change them from student to student, and one of the principles that all great learning is based on is "Association". Many of the methods we've already seen specific to memorized decks are already made for us, but some of those don't work. At my job we always say "teach from the known to the new". Maybe you don't know the order of the presidents (pro-tip, people who were raised in America don't always know a whole lot about it's history), but if you know any other sequential set of 52 or more items it should work. That's the theory anyway. Honestly, I'd have trouble coming up with anything I know that well that has 52 or more parts. Maybe the periodic table, but then I'd have to include some of the weird transition metals. I'd be more interested to see what people can come up with for things like that.
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