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Just picked a few books to learn the 3 card Monte routine. I know that it's recommended to use borderless cards as it makes the hype move harder to detect.

What are some good brands/qualities to look for? Stiffness of the cards?

Also, what are the best 3 card combinations?

Stay safe and stay healthy!

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D

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You can’t go wrong with bee backed cards. Usually a red queen with 2 black spot cards is the best way to go.
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D, one of the decisions you need to make is whether you are going to take the cards from a deck in use, or if you will be keeping a set of 3 in a separate wallet or something.  If you go with the deck, then your two "non-queen" cards won't match faces.  In that case, some people use the black tens, some prefer to go with an 8 and a 9 of the same suit.  You could also use the jokers, and arrange to have them match, in the event you do certain moves where you want the cards to be the same.

If you carry a separate set, then use whatever suits your needs.

Regarding the backs, it is not necessary, but I suppose a borderless design will help disguise some moves, such as the Mexican Turnover.  Bee cards are fine, but one approach I've used is to get a Pinochle deck without borders.  That way, in one deck you have 4 red queens, 4 black queens, and a bunch of cards that can be used for the other two, such as the nines and tens.  Just a thought.
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I've seen a couple of people use Jack Daniels cards. They're borderless and also are a little larger in size. They look cool too and fit a western style gambler theme.

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D, one of the decisions you need to make is whether you are going to take the cards from a deck in use, or if you will be keeping a set of 3 in a separate wallet or something.  If you go with the deck, then your two "non-queen" cards won't match faces.  In that case, some people use the black tens, some prefer to go with an 8 and a 9 of the same suit.  You could also use the jokers, and arrange to have them match, in the event you do certain moves where you want the cards to be the same.

If you carry a separate set, then use whatever suits your needs.

Regarding the backs, it is not necessary, but I suppose a borderless design will help disguise some moves, such as the Mexican Turnover.  Bee cards are fine, but one approach I've used is to get a Pinochle deck without borders.  That way, in one deck you have 4 red queens, 4 black queens, and a bunch of cards that can be used for the other two, such as the nines and tens.  Just a thought.


Hi Ray,

Thank you so much for all the info. Didn’t consider whether I’d want to do the monte routine at the end of another card effect and whether that will require to use the same deck, bring out a packet just for the routine or whether the previous effect should start with the Bee deck to avoid a switch... all good things to think about and consider.

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D

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Hi Ray,

Thank you so much for all the info. Didn’t consider whether I’d want to do the monte routine at the end of another card effect and whether that will require to use the same deck, bring out a packet just for the routine or whether the previous effect should start with the Bee deck to avoid a switch... all good things to think about and consider.

Best,
D


Glad it was helpful.  I like the idea of using specific cards for Monte.  The ones Mike Powers mentioned sound interesting.  Having a story, whether plausible or not, can add a bit of fun.

For example, you might have some old soiled cards, you could use the Bicycle 1800 or 1900 decks for this.  Maybe they belonged to your Grandpa, who you've recently found out was actually a riverboat gambler?  You can keep them in an old parchment envelope maybe.
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Glad it was helpful.  I like the idea of using specific cards for Monte.  The ones Mike Powers mentioned sound interesting.  Having a story, whether plausible or not, can add a bit of fun.

For example, you might have some old soiled cards, you could use the Bicycle 1800 or 1900 decks for this.  Maybe they belonged to your Grandpa, who you've recently found out was actually a riverboat gambler?  You can keep them in an old parchment envelope maybe.


Do you think that bringing out a special packet of cards for monte opens up the question in the spectators' minds that they may be gaffed? I supposed that at least on a "clean" routine, you can at least let them inspect the cards?

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Do you think that bringing out a special packet of cards for monte opens up the question in the spectators' minds that they may be gaffed? I supposed that at least on a "clean" routine, you can at least let them inspect the cards?


No, I don't think so, especially if you let them examine them.  If people think cards are faked, then they think they are faked and there isn't much you can do about it.

Like Harry Lorayne says, the only way to eliminate that is to use a borrowed deck.
You can even give them your deck and they'll just say, "well, they still might be faked and I just don't understand enough to figure it out".  So you can't win.
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No, I don't think so, especially if you let them examine them.  If people think cards are faked, then they think they are faked and there isn't much you can do about it.

Like Harry Lorayne says, the only way to eliminate that is to use a borrowed deck.
You can even give them your deck and they'll just say, "well, they still might be faked and I just don't understand enough to figure it out".  So you can't win.


LOL[rofl]

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Any card gimmick is a good card magician's friend.
Ones better friends than others, but non of them are the best friends...
The best friend of a card magician is... a borrowed deck.

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