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Comte de Saint Germain

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Hello all,

I've bought a few downloads, but generally buy books overall. When I get downloads I tend to focus on techniques, not effects. One of the first downloads I bought was David's Cull, which is easier to do with a pristine deck rather than any deck handed to you; it seems slightly artificial but I imagine this is a lack of technique.  While I know nothing about it I imagine it's similar to Lennart Green's separations. (Or Harry Lorayne's).

I'm not necessarily good at it but I can do single card culls in the Hofzinser style as long as they are several cards from the top of the deck. So my question is what are good resources for culling multiple cards with this type of cull? Generally I don't see myself culling more than 12 cards but obviously if you wish to get a shufflebored or out of this world effect more may be needed. The $45 asked for the roadrunner cull seems a bit much, is it worth it, and if not, what book resources would you recommend?
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Yo, I guess this will be my first post on the forum.

The answer is that the roadrunner cull teaches the initial Hofzinser cull for a single, multiple and then the road runner variants, it's basically like a full comprehensive cull package that takes you through the steps along with subtleties, rhythm, timing, and various other elements, even just down to how you spread cards. I personally found that the value probably increases the less you know about the cull, when I got it I was already doing multiple card culls, that being said though, the additional pieces of knowledge offered by Kostya are brilliant and will add to a more comprehensive and knowledgeable understanding and application of anyone cull. 

I believe Principia has a section on basic and advanced culling and is a very good resource for this

This being said though, Kostya does use the Hofzinser and Darwins slider card principle as a framework. If 10 cards are your goal and you already have material concerning multi-card culls, I suggest practice and patience, a cull is not the simplest thing to do. 

If there's anything that I found helped me personally to understand the physics of a cull and how to approach it, it would be that it shares similar properties to that of a false count or top change, the pressure points are the same on the cards, it's a transfer of pressure around the card you wish to cull. 

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Harapan Ong’s first book was dedicated to the cull It is called Close Culls. Published by VI I used to own a copy but gave it away as a gift. It goes through the technique in detail and then presents approx a dizen or so very strong effects. It’s 24.99 from VI.
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https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/card-magic/close-culls/
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Good advice from Zero - Welcome, Zero, that's one helluva first post! Patience, practice, and persistence seem to be the formula. Ong does briefly cover culling in Principia, but Gareth is correct is pointing out that his book, Close Culls, is a detailed treatise on the move, with plenty of tricks to use as practice. 

Best of luck!

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I found David's Cull to be the most difficult to learn. Harry's technique is very different and much easier to do. Close Culls is one of my favorite books but Harapan really only discusses the technique in about a couple of pages and himself recommends the Roadrunner Cull DVD. I found the Roadrunner DVDs to be the best and you can find them on eBay. Marlo's Prayer Cull is an option too which you can find in one of the MINT volumes and is usually cheap during L and L sales. Michael Vincent also goes over this Cull in his Penguin Lecture which I also recommend.
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From memory Jason Ladanye covered it briefly in the Lecture he did for us here af the forum ?last year or maybe 2018??
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