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Medifro

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Hey,


Its been awhile gentlemen. I moved into Miami and unfortunately, I don't have magicians around me to meet ( besides Richard Mark, who's an awesome guy ).  The budget also isn't as good as it used to so instead of buying newer stuff I've been reading/re-reading older magic books and having a good time. 

I'm very open to starting a thread about a specific book. We'd go through the book, randomly or a chapter each week for example, and share thoughts along the way. Its more fun when you discuss books with other people. 


Candidates ( only because these are the ones I own ):
Annemann Practical Mental Effects
Jean Hugard Encycopedia of Card Tricks
The Complete Roy Walton Vol1 or Vol.2
Card College, any vol, preferably 4-5
Royal Road to Card Magic
Card Control by Arthur Buckley 
The Vernon Chronicles Vol.1 or 2
The Classic Magic of Larry Jennings ( yup, I guess thats an old book now )
Card Zone by Duffie and Sadowitz

And before you ask: I misplaced my copy of Harry Lorayne's Classic Collection 1 and Reputation Makers. Apolcypse is too big to do something like this. I can't do Harry Lorayne's books unfortunatley.




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I nominate Arthur Buckley - Card Control
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I own a few of those. I'd be happy with Buckley or Jennings for sure.
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I'm in - this sounds great. No vote, almost any of them sound good, but I am not really a mentalist. But specific readings each week would be better than randomly - the discussion could be more focused.
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Arthur Buckley's Card Control sounds good to me!

This was the first 'real' card- magic book I purchased.  At the very beginning of the book he shares the story of his professional journey in magic... this inspired me to go out and gig immediately, I picked up big pay packets too, and the bonus was I only used beginners techniques, the sort of things you find in Harry's Magic-Book - which is another superb, and inspiring read [wink] 


Very Interesting! It’s my first serious Magic on cards beyond The Hugard and Braue books. I thought I had found an underground book that no one knew about.

I’ll start the thread
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http://www.lybrary.com has "Card Control" as an eBook for $5.00. Pretty affordable. So anyone should be able to join the discussion.

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I know that the thread has commenced, but I just wanted to say that if anyone is on the fence about the book, invest in it, you won't be sorry.  When I started out it was one of the few books on hardcore sleights.  There is such a wealth of card material today but back then you had Royal Road, ECT  and a few others that were the primers on card work.

Card Control is worth reading and studying not only for the sleights and the routines contained within but to learn a bit about one of the legends in magic from a bygone era.
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I'd like to be a part of it too!

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I'd like to be a part of it too!


Join in and welcome aboard!
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I'd like to join as well.
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It is my understanding that this group is open to all. I moved the actual discussion to The Session Room. If anyone has problems accessing it, let me, or another mod, know.

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Are we limited to just card magic books? I’d like to proffer a few mentalism books:

PRISM - Max Maven
STUNNERS - Larry Becker
PARA MIRACLES - Ted Lesley

While I also love PRACTICAL MENTAL EFFECTS (Annemann) and TA Waters MIND MYTH AND MAGIC, you have to read though a lot of just OK stuff to get to, as Harry L calls it, “the good stuff”

Speaking of Harry, you can’t go through a list like this without mentioning his CLOSE UP CARD MAGIC and THE MAGIC BOOK. I find both seminal and important reads. (Just count the number current great card magicians who tell you that CUCM inspired them!). And I believe THE MAGIC BOOK while written as a intro book to anyone ready to get serious about magic, has more to say about magical performance thinking and trick structure than most new books. One more non card Harry book that I adore is THE HIMBER WALLET BOOK. The tricks and ideas in this one are so unlike “standard” Himber wallet tricks, it’s relatively easy to fool even the knowledgeable. Lay audiences will be blown away.

One final thought... elsewhere on this forum we discuss magic theory books. They need to be read and perhaps discussed as well.
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Are we limited to just card magic books? I’d like to proffer a few mentalism books:

PRISM - Max Maven
STUNNERS - Larry Becker
PARA MIRACLES - Ted Lesley

While I also love PRACTICAL MENTAL EFFECTS (Annemann) and TA Waters MIND MYTH AND MAGIC, you have to read though a lot of just OK stuff to get to, as Harry L calls it, “the good stuff”

Speaking of Harry, you can’t go through a list like this without mentioning his CLOSE UP CARD MAGIC and THE MAGIC BOOK. I find both seminal and important reads. (Just count the number current great card magicians who tell you that CUCM inspired them!). And I believe THE MAGIC BOOK while written as a intro book to anyone ready to get serious about magic, has more to say about magical performance thinking and trick structure than most new books. One more non card Harry book that I adore is THE HIMBER WALLET BOOK. The tricks and ideas in this one are so unlike “standard” Himber wallet tricks, it’s relatively easy to fool even the knowledgeable. Lay audiences will be blown away.

One final thought... elsewhere on this forum we discuss magic theory books. They need to be read and perhaps discussed as well.


EXCELLENT SUGGESTIONS!!!

We can consider doing that next week. Card control is alright though I’m open to trying different things like the mentalism books you mentioned above.

What do you guys think?
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Ok, I admit it. Paramiracles is one of my all-time favorites.

Haven't pulled it off the shelf in a couple decades, but I seem to recall an envelope effect something or other in it.


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Kismet or Teleport-Envelope...?

I´m all in and ok with whatever choice will be made. Started again with Arthur Buckley but I am flexible enough to switch to another book...(Snap Double is quite cool so...)

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Teleport envelopes are great, but a pain to make well. This is essentially a double walled envelope with a smear of rubber cement along the top of the flap. The spec seals the envelope shut. To open it, you use a scissors and cut straight across the end with the rubber cement. This seals the specific spot where the cut was made -- much like in the old "Clippo" effect.

Kismet envelopes allow for at least three outs. Easy to make and use.

Lesley has some great thinking in this book!
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For those who may not have followed this thread and the follow-up thread from the beginning, I believe that we decided to do the Buckley book first. We did not mean, I don't think, to change books every week. So far, we are only working on the first 20 pages and first 7 tricks (experiments) in the Buckley book. The assumption is that next week we will progress further in the book rather than switching to another. This is particularly useful for those of us who don't have unlimited funds to spend on books.
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Just to let  you know guys, this is not the first instance/version of the "Book Club"; we had one more than a year ago but with time, interest started to wane until it disappeared. We even had a passworded section and video sessions (just like the Saturday sessions) where things from the different books were discussed. I don't remember all the books but among those discussed were Harry's C-UCM and Mike Power's Power Plays. They were discussed for about a month or two and then a new book was chosen. Not all the people talked about all the books for different reasons (book's availability, interest in the book, time, etc.) but it was fun while it lasted. Changing books every week might or might not work. Maybe 2 or 3 books/threads could be had at the same time about the different books and those who are interested can participate in one or all of them. 

There was a "moderator" for each book discussed and that person was in charge of scheduling the video sessions and dividing the book in sections so each section would be discussed in the allotted time (1 or 2 weeks). For the following book there would be another mod and so on. Some of those people are still members of TMF but they don't come anymore so they cannot give you their impression of the Book Club. 

The persons participating would have to have the original book/ebook (in case a hardcopy of the book is not available - OOP - you can get the ebook version from the publisher or the author) and not a pirated copy. For example, when we discussed Power Plays, some of us got the ebook version from Mike Powers himself since the hardcopy version is out of print. This is another way to benefit the authors and ourselves at the same time. And there was also another benefit, when we talked about that book, Mike Powers, the author, was present while the "discussion" was taking place and he even performed some of the effects and told us about the thinking/reasoning behind the effects. 

So I hope this new version of the Book Club has a longer life than the previous one. And if it is successful, Rudy might even re-create the Book Club section...

I do have Buckley's book (in both hardcopy and ebook version from the Summer Reading Club they had a few years ago at the Conjuring Arts Research Center) but I won't have much time these days to read it and participate. I'll try though...

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Just to let  you know guys, this is not the first instance/version of the "Book Club"; we had one more than a year ago but with time, interest started to wane until it disappeared. We even had a passworded section and video sessions (just like the Saturday sessions) where things from the different books were discussed. I don't remember all the books but among those discussed were Harry's C-UCM and Mike Power's Power Plays. They were discussed for about a month or two and then a new book was chosen. Not all the people talked about all the books for different reasons (book's availability, interest in the book, time, etc.) but it was fun while it lasted. Changing books every week might or might not work. Maybe 2 or 3 books/threads could be had at the same time about the different books and those who are interested can participate in one or all of them. 

There was a "moderator" for each book discussed and that person was in charge of scheduling the video sessions and dividing the book in sections so each section would be discussed in the allotted time (1 or 2 weeks). For the following book there would be another mod and so on. Some of those people are still members of TMF but they don't come anymore so they cannot give you their impression of the Book Club. 

The persons participating would have to have the original book/ebook (in case a hardcopy of the book is not available - OOP - you can get the ebook version from the publisher or the author) and not a pirated copy. For example, when we discussed Power Plays, some of us got the ebook version from Mike Powers himself since the hardcopy version is out of print. This is another way to benefit the authors and ourselves at the same time. And there was also another benefit, when we talked about that book, Mike Powers, the author, was present while the "discussion" was taking place and he even performed some of the effects and told us about the thinking/reasoning behind the effects. 

So I hope this new version of the Book Club has a longer life than the previous one. And if it is successful, Rudy might even re-create the Book Club section...

I do have Buckley's book (in both hardcopy and ebook version from the Summer Reading Club they had a few years ago at the Conjuring Arts Research Center) but I won't have much time these days to read it and participate. I'll try though...


Good summary Luigimar. I’m glad we have resurrected the book clubs and although I’ve had a little time away from magic ( life got in the way plus a disillusionment with social media plus a rather concerning sudden loss of my passion, thankfully it appears this was transient). I’m gonna jump in. I have the ebook version of Buckley, my fellow Australian, cardman. I co-ordinated one of the book clubs on John Bannon’s Mentalissimo.
Very happy to be back.

Regards Gareth
PS Hi Medifro, glad you’re back too. Mark my vote for Card Zones at somepoint down the track.
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Just to let  you know guys, this is not the first instance/version of the "Book Club"; we had one more than a year ago but with time, interest started to wane until it disappeared. We even had a passworded section and video sessions (just like the Saturday sessions) where things from the different books were discussed. I don't remember all the books but among those discussed were Harry's C-UCM and Mike Power's Power Plays. They were discussed for about a month or two and then a new book was chosen. Not all the people talked about all the books for different reasons (book's availability, interest in the book, time, etc.) but it was fun while it lasted. Changing books every week might or might not work. Maybe 2 or 3 books/threads could be had at the same time about the different books and those who are interested can participate in one or all of them. 

There was a "moderator" for each book discussed and that person was in charge of scheduling the video sessions and dividing the book in sections so each section would be discussed in the allotted time (1 or 2 weeks). For the following book there would be another mod and so on. Some of those people are still members of TMF but they don't come anymore so they cannot give you their impression of the Book Club. 

The persons participating would have to have the original book/ebook (in case a hardcopy of the book is not available - OOP - you can get the ebook version from the publisher or the author) and not a pirated copy. For example, when we discussed Power Plays, some of us got the ebook version from Mike Powers himself since the hardcopy version is out of print. This is another way to benefit the authors and ourselves at the same time. And there was also another benefit, when we talked about that book, Mike Powers, the author, was present while the "discussion" was taking place and he even performed some of the effects and told us about the thinking/reasoning behind the effects. 

So I hope this new version of the Book Club has a longer life than the previous one. And if it is successful, Rudy might even re-create the Book Club section...

I do have Buckley's book (in both hardcopy and ebook version from the Summer Reading Club they had a few years ago at the Conjuring Arts Research Center) but I won't have much time these days to read it and participate. I'll try though...


Goodness. No wonder it did not work out. Thats way too much work and commitment. 

I may open a bookclub for PRISM, ParaMiracles or Larry Becker's book as ongoing thread for each book ( or Prism, for each booklet ). I'll be off the grid after the weekend, Id love to do that next week.

An ongoing thread for these books is better than a section by section as in Card Control simply because the latter's format isn't as good. 
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Let me know if you fellas would like me to create a book club category. It’s an easy thing to do. If you think it’s not necessary, no biggie. Just thought I would offer.

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Let me know if you fellas would like me to create a book club category. It’s an easy thing to do. If you think it’s not necessary, no biggie. Just thought I would offer.

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Thanks for the offer! I dont think its necessary. I think just having threads in the Sessions is good enough. 
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Thanks for the offer! I dont think its necessary. I think just having threads in the Sessions is good enough. 


Right on. So glad that you guys started this book club 😉

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I started A PRISM thread in the Sessions forum. If it gathers enough interest, we can do the rest of Prism as ongoing threads, and other books such as Paramiracles, and maybe material by Mark Elsdon, Paul Brook, and other performers.
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