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I know some of you have a dual camera setup at the sessions that do top down and front facing. What are people using for that? Software or hardware?
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Hi Bizarro - I'm using hardware. A video switcher should create an instantaneous switch. Whereas, I think that the software solutions e.g. ManyCam have a bit of a lag. The lag isn't necessarily a liability. Fading in and out can be a nice effect. But in most video work, straight cuts are used. 

Black Magic makes an inexpensive switcher called the ATEM Mini. A while back is was going for $300. It has been in short supply recently, though. It supports four HDMI ins and one out. With Windows 10 or whatever the latest MAC operating system is, you can stream directly from the switcher since it has a USB out that makes it appear to be a webcam. That eliminates the need for extra hardware to convert the HDMI out to USB.

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Hi Mike, the Atem Mini still goes for $300, but out of stock everywhere. I just got one that I ordered at the beginning of April, arrived last week. I think the Atem Mini Pro may be in stock somewhere, but it's $600.
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I found some great software that lets me switch through multiple Apple devices. I have a setup using two old iPhones and/or an iPad that "funnels" through my HP laptop. The laptop cam shoots straight-on, one old iPhone is attached to a thick wooden slat 4 feet long and 3/4-inch by 3 inches wide. This slat is anchored to a bookcase and hovers around 3 feet or so over my table. The iPhone shoot straight-down. The third cam (another old iPhone) is nearby for a close-up or another angle. Same with the iPad -- ready if I need another angle. 

The software is called EpoCam HD. There are several versions available. Epocam Multicam allows for four devices to stream. It cost $20.
I understand OBS Studio works well too, but you have to buy two pieces of software. OBS Camera provides the WiFi connections and OBS Switcher does the switching work. Each one is about $15

I haven't invested in fancy cameras. The cams in the old iPhones seem to work very well for me
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Mac users can check out eCamm live for a livestream software option. Switcher built in the app. But for recording, the ATEM mini is great for using DSLR camera’s HDMI out signal.
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Hmmm ... I have a really nice Sony point and shoot (non DSLR) camera ("Cybershot RX-100"). It has wireless capability, but I have only used that feature to transfer photos from the camera to PC storage. I wonder if I can use it to stream video to one of these switchers?

Intrigued ...... need to explore ......
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Glad you described your set up Mike B. The image you get on Zoom looks great. I'm going to hook up my old iPhone to my rig as another cam. The only problem with the iPhone is that the zoom is digital. 

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Hmmm ... I have a really nice Sony point and shoot (non DSLR) camera ("Cybershot RX-100"). It has wireless capability, but I have only used that feature to transfer photos from the camera to PC storage. I wonder if I can use it to stream video to one of these switchers?

Intrigued ...... need to explore ......


If the Cybershot has HDMI output, you can. No need for wireless, just an HDMI cable. 
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That's right Mike. The switchers have multiple (generally 4) HDMI in so your cam needs HDMI out.

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This topic definitely peaks my interest and I could use some input. I have very little knowledge when it comes to cameras and their relative software/hardware.

I have considered picking up a few cheap action cameras for a multi angle rig. Some of the low end ones are shockingly cheap (some are less that 40 bucks) with good reviews. I was thinking about scooping a few up on Amazon Prime day but that has been pushed back until fall from what I hear, but that's a different ramble I suppose.

From what I hear the cheap ones take pretty good video but have very poor stabilization.  I was thinking this wouldn't be an issue if they were just rigged up and always stationary. 

Does anyone have any experience with those? Can I just use open source software  to switch between/ edit videos? Will I really need a switch board or can I get away with a usb bay?

Any info is greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
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I have considered picking up a few cheap action cameras for a multi angle rig. Some of the low end ones are shockingly cheap (some are less that 40 bucks) with good reviews.



The main features you need to look for is
- HDMI output
- AC Adaptor (so you don't run on batteries)
- Ability to disable power saving options

The last point is what both my cameras lack, so they both go to sleep, one after 1 hour, the other one after 30 minutes. Which is very annoying. 

If anyone uses the ATEM mini or similar video capture devices and have cameras to recommend, I'm all ears 😉
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Cheers, Gents!
I’ve ordered a mini HDMI cable to plug into the camera. We’ll see what happens. I will report back
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Mike - where is the cable going? It goes from the camera to...

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You can use HDMI to USB video capture. Make sure you get one that works for your OS

https://www.amazon.com/HLHome-Audio-Video-Capture-USB2-0/dp/B089WBGBB1
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Mike ... always the professor, eh? Comin' at me with a fill-in-the-blank question?? 

I was hoping I could connect the camera via HDMI to my laptop (which has an HDMI port). Further, I was hoping I could use it to move video saved to the memory card faster ... or to stream live video into the software switcher ...??? 

Yes?? No?? 

I will look at the capture gadget Marc just posted a link to...
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Unfortunately the HDMI in the laptops are OUT only. So you need to come in through the USB.
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Live and learn ... thanks, Marc (this category is getting more expensive by the post!)
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Mike -

Marc is correct. You'll need a device to convert HDMI to USB. Then the laptop will see the camera as a USB camera for Zoom, Skype et al. I'm using a gizmo from Epiphan video called Av.io HD. It costs $329.95 on Amazon. 

Since the Black Magic switcher has a USB out that makes its output look like a USB cam, you'd be better off springing for the $300 to $400 cost of that device. Then you'd have a real switcher with effects and picture in picture etc. 

The Black Magic switcher has been difficult to get. I think people have realized how much it can do for the low price. I suspect that the price may go up. Originally it was listed at $300, but the only company that was selling it (that I could find) had it at $400. I think it's just supply and demand. 

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