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SilverMagicAddict

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Here's my performance of the Card in the Bag! (link bellow)
Once again i ask for your opinion! Your previous opinions were a great help for me so i would love to hear from you once more!
Thank you very much for all your help!
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First thing I would do is eliminate the flourishy cut at the beginning.  Adds nothing for me and detracts from the effect IMHO.
You have basically taken Lee Asher's Deuce Bag, now called Witness, and added a little extra.  I believe the added moment detracts from the effect.  Remember that strong effects have clarity.  When that clarity is lost, so is the impact.

What is the effect?  There are two ways to go in my opinion.  Asher's original routine was that the Joker turned into the selected card, so it was a transformation.  You could do as you did and cause the two cards to trade places which is a transposition.  To me, eliminating the part you added would help clarify what is going on.  

Couple of other mentions would be to eliminate taking the selection out of the deck.  Especially if you are doing this as a video performance only.  Just rotate the pack up to show the bottom card and then replace it onto the other half.  No need to fuss with taking it out only to lose it again and such.  Now if there is a spectator there and you want them to handle the card and show it about, fine.  It just looked awkward to me.

Finally, think about the motivation of why you are putting the bag onto the top of the deck.  Is it to free up your hand to pick something else up?  Otherwise, spectators will suspect there was a reason you had to set the bag on top of the pack.  Either to pick up a card or leave one.  Folks aren't dumb.  And experiment with which hand moves when you take the bag off of the pack.  In this instance, I might be wanting to pull the hand holding the deck away from underneath and freeze the hand with the bag.  I would also time it so that you are asking a spectator a question such as "Would you please hold out your hand?" and this will provide some misdirection and hopefully distract from the fact that the bag touched the pack at all.

Please don't take my comments too negatively.  Not meant to be.  But those were some thoughts I wanted to share.  Keep up the practice and I'm sure we all look forward to your progress.

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I did not see the card-to-deck the first time I saw it, was expecting two cards in the bag, so that part seemed very natural to me. The color change you chose seems fine to me also, and the fact it is a transposition makes it look very visual. However, I've always felt like the hindu shuffle force was way too easy to see, so that's why I'd work on. Maybe use an underspread card force [smile]
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I did not see the card-to-deck the first time I saw it, was expecting two cards in the bag, so that part seemed very natural to me. The color change you chose seems fine to me also, and the fact it is a transposition makes it look very visual. However, I've always felt like the hindu shuffle force was way too easy to see, so that's why I'd work on. Maybe use an underspread card force [smile]


Thank you very much for the coment!
I think i agree with you about the hindu shuffle!
I appreciate a lot your help! More vídeos are coming [biggrin]
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First thing I would do is eliminate the flourishy cut at the beginning.  Adds nothing for me and detracts from the effect IMHO.
You have basically taken Lee Asher's Deuce Bag, now called Witness, and added a little extra.  I believe the added moment detracts from the effect.  Remember that strong effects have clarity.  When that clarity is lost, so is the impact.

What is the effect?  There are two ways to go in my opinion.  Asher's original routine was that the Joker turned into the selected card, so it was a transformation.  You could do as you did and cause the two cards to trade places which is a transposition.  To me, eliminating the part you added would help clarify what is going on.  

Couple of other mentions would be to eliminate taking the selection out of the deck.  Especially if you are doing this as a video performance only.  Just rotate the pack up to show the bottom card and then replace it onto the other half.  No need to fuss with taking it out only to lose it again and such.  Now if there is a spectator there and you want them to handle the card and show it about, fine.  It just looked awkward to me.

Finally, think about the motivation of why you are putting the bag onto the top of the deck.  Is it to free up your hand to pick something else up?  Otherwise, spectators will suspect there was a reason you had to set the bag on top of the pack.  Either to pick up a card or leave one.  Folks aren't dumb.  And experiment with which hand moves when you take the bag off of the pack.  In this instance, I might be wanting to pull the hand holding the deck away from underneath and freeze the hand with the bag.  I would also time it so that you are asking a spectator a question such as "Would you please hold out your hand?" and this will provide some misdirection and hopefully distract from the fact that the bag touched the pack at all.

Please don't take my comments too negatively.  Not meant to be.  But those were some thoughts I wanted to share.  Keep up the practice and I'm sure we all look forward to your progress.



I would never take your thoughts on a negative way! Thank you very much!
You know... I entered this world almost a year ago and i still have lots to learn.
But one thing i think its true... When we know this world its hard to get "fooled" right? Hard to see the Magic?
Thats why i love to put these vídeos on this forums, cuz you help me to get better... But sometimes i think we must try to see as a laymen. Thing that is really hard for me when i do these vídeos ahaha x)
Thank you very much once more!
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     Learn either my The Lorayne Force or - and darned if I can think of where I taught it, but I taught it somewhere (Tarbell #7?) - if you do the Hindu Force, do it so that the spec. "gets" the card on top of the shuffled cards - not the obvious bottom card.
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     Learn either my The Lorayne Force or - and darned if I can think of where I taught it, but I taught it somewhere (Tarbell #7?) - if you do the Hindu Force, do it so that the spec. "gets" the card on top of the shuffled cards - not the obvious bottom card.


I don't know about tarbell 7, but you also teach it in close up card magic, which is well worth the money.  One of the few forces I use (you also teach a number of other applications if I recall).
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      No, way back in C-UCM I taught the basic Hindu Shuffle - where when stopped you show the bottom card of the right-hand packet. What I'm referring to here is - years later, and to this day, if I use the HS at all - it looks exactly as the original except..well, briefly:
 
    "Break/separate" that bottom card. Start the shuffle as usual. When stopped, indicate the stopped card - top card of left-hand portion - with the right-hand portion releasing the "broken" card onto the left-hand portion. "Fine; look at and remember that card, please."   That's it - hope you can follow this quick take on it. Also hope it's all right to teach it here - if not okay to delete it.
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      No, way back in C-UCM I taught the basic Hindu Shuffle - where when stopped you show the bottom card of the right-hand packet. What I'm referring to here is - years later, and to this day, if I use the HS at all - it looks exactly as the original except..well, briefly:
 
    "Break/separate" that bottom card. Start the shuffle as usual. When stopped, indicate the stopped card - top card of left-hand portion - with the right-hand portion releasing the "broken" card onto the left-hand portion. "Fine; look at and remember that card, please."   That's it - hope you can follow this quick take on it. Also hope it's all right to teach it here - if not okay to delete it.


Oh, my mistake, I thought you were talking about the Lorayne Force!
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     Learn either my The Lorayne Force or - and darned if I can think of where I taught it, but I taught it somewhere (Tarbell #7?) - if you do the Hindu Force, do it so that the spec. "gets" the card on top of the shuffled cards - not the obvious bottom card.


I dont know if i understand what you are saying but can you give me your link for that force? cuz i would i like to understand what you are saying!
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     I'm sorry but I don't understand what it is that you don't understand. The only "link" I can give you is - I think - Tarbell #7 whereI touched on doing the Hindu Force as I explained above - breaking/separating the bottom card. Actually - it's the top card I force. Don't know if I can explain it in a sentence or two...

     The force card is on top of the deck - so I can flash the indifferent bottom card. I do the first "take" of a few top cards into left hand. As right hand moves over that first (now in left hand) batch, right thumb and fingertips grasp the top card of left-hand batch - or even a few of them - keeping it/them separated. Then - continue as I tried to explain above.
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     I'm sorry but I don't understand what it is that you don't understand. The only "link" I can give you is - I think - Tarbell #7 whereI touched on doing the Hindu Force as I explained above - breaking/separating the bottom card. Actually - it's the top card I force. Don't know if I can explain it in a sentence or two...

     The force card is on top of the deck - so I can flash the indifferent bottom card. I do the first "take" of a few top cards into left hand. As right hand moves over that first (now in left hand) batch, right thumb and fingertips grasp the top card of left-hand batch - or even a few of them - keeping it/them separated. Then - continue as I tried to explain above.



Oh yeah i didnt knew the name but of course i know that force. It was the way how you said that wasn't so clear for me sorry!
Thank you very much for your advices! Maybe i ll do better on the next videos!
Many thanks!


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