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Bladen

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I'm looking to buy a new chop cup.

Something that looks nice and something you're not forced to pound on the table like a hammer!

Any suggestions?


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I bought a Rings and Things shot glass sized chop cup.  I like it a lot.  The ball also has a way to adjust the piece inside to make it either harder or easier to dislodge.  Meaning, you can make it so you have to hit it pretty hard or barely holds in there and just lightly setting it down, the ball will fall.

I am sure you will get lots of great suggestions here soon.

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This is what I went with after years of using a substandard, unreliable cup. The action is as smooth as butter, and the cup is a pleasure to handle. Several sizes from which to choose, I opted for the smallest since it best suits my needs. Also, Michael will communicate with you before your purchase to ensure you're getting what you want and need.

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Yes... Michael K's products are great and exceptionally well made by someone who really CARES. Plus he's a damn good magician and builds his experience into his products.

Having said that, I've gone into the totally opposite direction with a cup for performance: Leo Smester's "Coffee Chop Cup". I also still use Craig Petty's "Chop" which is not a magnet gimmick in a cup, rather in the pen. His routine is awesome. I don't even know if it is still available, but if you can find it, buy it!
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I have one of the Rings and Things mini cups too. Very practical in a strolling environment because of the size.

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Bladen, there are tons of options out there so it helps to narrow the search field a bit. Do you care how big it is? Do you want to base the size around certain final loads?
Are you OK with silver or are you more of a copper or brass guy? Or perhaps leather or wood. There are the coffee cups too.

RNT2 is a good resource to look as is MK as mentioned. I also have the mini chop cup, mine being from the original Rings N Things. It is awesome as others have stated.

For larger cups I like the RNT Don Alan style. Fits large loads and you can do routines using a shot glass with it. No size issues. Not the best for strolling however due to size.

So think about appearance. Maybe you want to also stack dice so a leather cup is the ticket?

Food for thought I hope.
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Try and get your hands on a Morrissey Cup
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Pounding a chop chop into the table is due to mismatched ball to cup. Rings and Things sell adjustable balls. My Don Alan cup by the original Rings and Things had balls that were about 1 1/4" in diameter. Bigger balls have more weight and drop easier. If you can't adjust them to where you like, go up a size.
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Ray, I haven't actually decided on a look or size yet. Thanks for all of your options!

EVILDAN, I can't seem to find the adjustable balls on the site? Am I missing something? I sent them an email. Maybe the can help people like me that are apparently visually challenged.

Thanks everybody so very much!
There is a TON of useful info here. You guys are amazing!
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Years ago, I had made one using something that people now days might not even know what they are.  The inside is kind of sloppy, but it's hard to see if you're not really looking in there.

The final load could be a 35mm film roll.

Tom

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Ray, I haven't actually decided on a look or size yet. Thanks for all of your options!

EVILDAN, I can't seem to find the adjustable balls on the site? Am I missing something? I sent them an email. Maybe the can help people like me that are apparently visually challenged.

Thanks everybody so very much!
There is a TON of useful info here. You guys are amazing!


I’m not the evil one, but, as far as I know, all of their magnetic balls are adjustable.

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Almost true about the balls on the RNT2 site.

If you buy balls you purchase them singly. Regular balls are regular. Chopped balls are chopped and THEY are the only ones that are adjustable. The gaff slides up and down in a hole. You get an awl-like tool to adjust where the gaff lies in the ball and thus how strong it is in relation to the cup.
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Almost true about the balls on the RNT2 site.

If you buy balls you purchase them singly. Regular balls are regular. Chopped balls are chopped and THEY are the only ones that are adjustable. The gaff slides up and down in a hole. You get an awl-like tool to adjust where the gaff lies in the ball and thus how strong it is in relation to the cup.


In any case, it's a nice feature. I remember when Mad Jake first started producing them for his cups. Obviously, it's something that was passed along to Donnie when RNT2 was sold. I believe there's a whizzing contest about the genesis of the process, but isn't there always?

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Mike Armstrong runs a shop on Etsy called Artrix Leather and Fine Art.  He makes a number of fine magic products, including a range of custom Custom chop cup.jpg  leather cups and chop cups.  I have a chop ball set done in the shape of skulls - they are rather large and heavy, and I didn't have any cups that worked well with them.  Either the magnet in the cup was too weak, or the cup made too much noise when doing a gravity load with the skulls.  So I sent the chopped skulls to Mike, and he custom made a leather cup for them, complete with an ornate, killer leather tooling design featuring skulls and geometrical patterns on the outside of the cup.  Here's a photo of the cup before he dyed it and added leather lace.  
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Max, welcome to the forum. That's cool-looking set! 

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Thanks - glad to be here.  The best part about working with Mike was that he came up with the design entirely on his own.  I was mostly interested in getting a quiet cup that had a magnet tolerance right for the skulls, but shortly after I sent them to him, he responded with that crazy photo of his creation. 

Someone mentioned Michael Kaminskas's cups earlier - I have one of his Carolina cups as well.  It's a terrific cup all around.  He seats the magnet in a slightly different location than is standard.  That subtle variation in design allows the ball to hold fast when desired, but also to dislodge easily with a simple tilt or turn of the wrist.  No pounding.  I think the micro cup that he makes, though, has the magnet in the normal location, which was necessary due to its size.     
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Thanks again DAN. I had no idea such a thing was out there.
That's just beyond cool!
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Here's another cup with nice features. http://www.wellingtonent.com/products/chopcup.html
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I have a few - mostly Morrissey products - but my favourite is this hand-turned wooden cup from Eric Hansen.

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The differences in colour and texture are natural features of the wood.  It's a bit smaller than a lot of cups - I put an Eisenhower dollar beside it for reference. 

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Also of potential interest: Meir Yedid has a micro chop-cup kit for sale at his site: https://www.mymagic.com/p/close-up-magic/ultimate-micro-chop-cup-kit-steven-schneiderman
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I have used a Don Alan mini chop cup for years. Also, contact Jay Leslie at houseofenchantment.com he has some gorgeous cups.
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This is pretty decent for $40.00. It is based on the Don Alan style.

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RayJ wrote:

"This is pretty decent for $40.00. It is based on the Don Alan style."

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Any idea what the dimensions are on that cup?  The website doesn't say.


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No, but it is fairly large.  I suggest emailing Ickle Pickle.  I used to know the guy who runs it.  They are in St. Louis and I believe he runs the company out of his basement and magicians can make an appointment to come visit.
Ickle Pickle is a clown name.  The owner and his wife are/were very active in clowning and do magic as part of their performances.

I believe that several of the cups they offer are based on original RNT designs.  They modified them so as to not be exact copies.  I knew the original owner of RNT, Mike Brazill and his former wife Sandi.  They did not spin their cups and other items but they did finish them.  They perfected the baked-on epoxy finish and their quality was spot-on.

The cups themselves along with dove pans, lota vases, etc. were fabricated by a company in St. Louis owned by a gentleman named Russell Prewitt.  He was a master craftsman and could spin metal like an artist.  I watched him make cups many times.  He was a good friend, sadly gone now.  Russell was contracted by McDonnell Douglas to produce components that went into the Mercury space capsules.  How cool is that?

Tim Star, the incredibly-talented Swedish performer came to the US and went to work for Russell for awhile before leaving and starting to sell his own products.  Tim was also a master craftsman.  He had a number of very interesting things he was working on.  One was a set of thimbles that would burn.  Unfortunately he was not able to get them to stay cool enough to actually use!
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You guys are an unending wealth of information!
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