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I was at my local magic shop and I asked the guy if he had any close-up mats.  (My old one is falling apart.)  He showed me a limited selection and said that you can just order a mouse pad and get the same thing.

Have any of you done this, and if so have you found a mouse pad that's the right level of "plushness"?

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He is right, but I still prefer a close-up ( you know, the one's made in China ) pad.
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Logan Five: Where do you get those pads and why do you like them more?
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I like this guy's mats. I have about 8 different ones from him.
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Another option to consider is to go to a fabric store and get a square yard of fabric (felt/plush etc.) and lay it over a table.  Works pretty well if you are on a budget.  
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Thanks for the ideas.  The guy in the magic shop (I think) was specifically saying that there are mouse pads that are just about exactly what you would think of as a "close-up pad", i.e. spongy on one side and non-slip on the other.  I was just wondering if anyone found a mouse pad that fit that criterion.  
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Go to a store and check them out. They feel like diving suit material.
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I second the Evil One's recommendation. Patrick's pads are unbeatable. I own only one, but when it's time for a new one that's where I shall return.

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Another vote here for Pattrick's mats.  Great quality!  And if you want to get fancy, he gives you several options on customizing them.
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Another vote for Pattrick's mats. 

He recently added a new style. The pad folds once or, in some cases, twice. He also has some folding pads that are small and can fit in your inside jacket pocket.

Also, he'll make a pad in any size you like.

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Unless you are performing at home, or in a set location.  Do yourself a favor and get rid of the close up pad.  With a close up pad you are so limited in space and everything happens at that level.  You will be amazed at how big your world becomes when you get away from that pad.  Plus if you are doing walk around you have to lug them around and find space for them.  If you are going from table to table then you have to make space and disrupt the table.  

If you are just performing for friends, family or magic lectures then they are fine, (although limiting).  Sure they make some coin work easier, easier for cups and balls or even a smidgeon of card work.  But overall? Almost anything can be done without a pad, although it takes work if you are used to using one. The trade off is well worth it. 

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It seems a post from Mr Youell has been removed. He doesn’t agree with my advice, which is fine I don’t expect everyone to agree with anything I have to say. But at least state why. I explained why I would not use a close up pad. As they do become problematic in a walk around situation. And they can limit your performance or ability to perform when you don’t have one on you. Of course in certain situations they are great. But are they needed? Nope. Unless you are one of the lucky few who get to perform close up magic in the ideal situation for one. Further there are so many out there, many are quite fancy and professional. Gibson mats (if still available are really nice).  

I’m betting a spectator won’t know the previously mentioned close up pad from a nice mouse pad anyway. I would hope if you are using anything when performing, including your attire that you dress and and act like a professional at all times. And I hope your magic and your brand is what is remembered and not the make and model number of your props.

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Hey fellas, if you’re against using any kind of close-up pad, that’s your decision.  If someone else wants to use a mouse pad, that’s their decision.  Other folks may like to use a professional close-up pad.  In which case, that’s totally their decision.  None of these folks have to agree with each other’s philosophy.

 For those of us who do use a close-up pad, I fully support Steven’s endorsement of Pattrick’s mats.  And I’ve tried them all.  Nothing else compares.  So in the future, if and when I have to replace my pad, I will again purchase one from Pattrick.


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This has turned into quite a thread.  All we need is for someone to either take issue with one of Harry's books or say that you should never use a borrowed deck.  That would really set this place on fire! 😉
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This has turned into quite a thread.  All we need is for someone to either take issue with one of Harry's books or say that you should never used a borrowed deck.  That would really set this place on fire! 😉


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My custom Born's Book Mat. It folds in half and fits in my vest pocket. Made by Pattrick.

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Hey fellas, if you’re against using any kind of close-up pad, that’s your decision.  If someone else wants to use a mouse pad, that’s their decision.  Other folks may like to use a professional close-up pad.  In which case, that’s totally their decision.  None of these folks have to agree with each other’s philosophy.



Well said, Arthur. I hope that the tension in this thread has been resolved. I’ve been busy these last couple of weeks and have not been moderating the conversations the way that I usually would. My apologies.


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I am under siege? Cool!
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Thing is, this all started with a request for advice about pads. Bmat's advice was relevant and helpful. How he managed to find himself under fire is beyond me. To quote a line from a favorite movie from long ago, "Lighten up, Francis!" [smile]

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I found a black mouse pad (about 7x9) in some of my computer junk...er, um, I mean, treasure. I keep it in my office under a small Magic 8 ball and appearing wand (that is obviously cheap because it "appears" with such force I thought I was gonna put a hole in the ceiling the first time I used it). I have used it to practice whenever I have the time and I really like it. I like it so much it has motivated me to look for a bigger one. So, I can definitely see the benefit of having one that's, say 11x16. But, what keeps me from buying a bigger one is exactly what Bmat and Blathermist have pointed out....travel. I think I would enjoy using one for performance, but, I have a rather limited amount of space in my "magic case." It's probably because my magic case is really just a laptop bag that I put as much magic stuff in as possible. I really like the idea of EvilDan's recommendation of the folding version.

I'm also open to suggestions on "optimal" size, although I know that really depends a lot on how I use it.
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Check Bed, Bath and Beyond for dish drying mats. Different sizes and about $1 each. Really good for cards but a little soft for coins.

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Since I don't go anywhere and perform other than for family... all I really needed was something other than a hard table-top here at home.

I went to Target, and found kitchen floor mats -- have a rubberized back and a patterned top. The only downside was they were folded over and the fold like to never came out... but...

I cut 3 BIG mats out of that sucker... almost covers the entire table I sit at.  I think I paid in the $10 price range for it. I've been using one and stuck the other 2 under one of my box-o-stuffs, and last time I looked, the one that got the curled piece was flat.

I'll probably have to will them to someone at this rate … because this first one isn't showing any wear at all. The rubberized back keeps it from moving around. It's got enough of a pattern that cards can be flipped over easily... works just fine 😉

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For a period of about 20 years I was in hotels literally every week.  Sometimes 2-3 nights per week.  I had lots of time to shuffle.  So I always carried a mouse pad with me.  I found one that was royal blue on top and rubber on the bottom just like a Gibson mat.  It worked great for shuffling.  It was too small for much else, not even Matrix.  The top was a bit firm, but it was way better than trying to pick up cards from a hard table top.

So yes, there are some configurations of pad out there that work just fine.
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So here is how Eugene Burger explained, the use of a close up pad and I'm paraphrasing.

A closeup pad sets the stage, for the closeup performer. It focuses the attention of the onlookers and provides a professional, reference point to the show. It makes possible moves, not possible without the mat and  provides a surface which not only displays your props but also protects them.

When I performed closeup as a magician, I would ALWAYS use a closeup mat. Btw I like the idea of using mouse pads and wonder where big ones, can be found?

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