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I know the method of this, but I'm just wondering about the correct name to refer to this trick.

Description of the effect:
1. A spectator deals cards face-down from a deck they've shuffled, stopping whenever they wish.
2. You produce a sealed envelope which the spectator opens to reveal a predicted card inside.
3. The spectator turns over the card they stopped at, and it is an exact match for the one in the envelope.

Here's an example of a performance:

Note: skip the sales pitch about the wallet, and start 40 seconds in.


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I’m rather sure that is a Ken Brook release. I want to say “Absolutely Impossible”?
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Maybe, but this one sounds very much the same.

https://www.conjuringarchive.com/list/search?keyword=Ken+Newhouse


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BTW, the guy on the demo had the enthusiasm of an undertaker.  Hopefully when you perform the trick you use a little more personality.  

I found the methodology to be readily apparent.  I suppose it will fool laypeople, but it was simple to follow what was happening, his "steal" was not super smooth.
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BTW, the guy on the demo had the enthusiasm of an undertaker.  Hopefully when you perform the trick you use a little more personality.


Clearly the spectator knows also the method. These demos don't really show trick in real life circumstances.

I'd like to see the Sham Woo guy doing the demo, he'd move a lot of units! 

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Clearly the spectator knows also the method. These demos don't really show trick in real life circumstances.

I'd like to see the Sham Woo guy doing the demo, he'd move a lot of units! 


Wayne, you are right that the circumstances need to be taken into account.  

This "effect" is easy to duplicate and there is no need for any special wallet.  The "trick" to me is to make it seem very casual and to not emphasize the laying-down of the envelope onto the pile.  Maybe some time misdirection would also help?

Harry always talks about attitude and he is so correct in doing so.  In this trick the attitude, to me, should be that the envelope is removed and you suddenly need to set it down in order to transfer the wallet to the same hand in order to put it away.  Done this way, setting the envelope down is nonchalant, even absent-minded.  In other words, downplayed so as to eliminate focus or attention being paid to it.  Then there should be time misdirection to hopefully eliminate the memory of it having been laid down in the first place.

Proper presentation is always important but for tricks like this it is "make or break".
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Clearly the spectator knows also the method. These demos don't really show trick in real life circumstances.

Agreed.  My guess is that it's his wife.

Her `messy' dealing of the cards arguably helps disguise the method, because the magician doesn't have to worry about the forced card being aligned with the rest of the deck when it is `dropped'.

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I’m rather sure that is a Ken Brook release. I want to say “Absolutely Impossible”?

"Absolutely Impossible" is correct.
I thought it was a Harry Stanley release. But I can't find it in my Unique catalogue, so it may be a Ken Brooke's Place Magic thing.

However in the Stanley catalogue is "Fifty Two To One" by Malcolm Davison. It's similar to this, but spectator fans the pack and removes an card. £2-00 or $8-00. Wallet included.
The catalogue is circa 1960/61.

"The Dai Vernon Book Of Magic" is Forty-five shillings. That's £2-25 in toytown money. Or $6-50 in the States.

And whoever the woman is, she clearly has never handled a pack of cards before.
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Conjuring Archive has one listing containing the words Absolutely Impossible, Harry Lorayne's Absolutely Impossible Location. Not same effect.
If that is the name perhaps it isn't listed.
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Clearly the spectator knows also the method. These demos don't really show trick in real life circumstances.

I'd like to see the Sham Woo guy doing the demo, he'd move a lot of units! 


Even the articles written about the ShamWow guy would be good for marketing.  I wonder what the sales of ShamWow looked like immediately after all the articles like this:

https://gawker.com/5187540/shamwow-guy-beats-up-cannibal-hooker

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Agreed.  My guess is that it's his wife.

Her `messy' dealing of the cards arguably helps disguise the method, because the magician doesn't have to worry about the forced card being aligned with the rest of the deck when it is `dropped'.


Yes there is quite a difference between the "demonstration" and "performance" of a trick.

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Yes there is quite a difference between the "demonstration" and "performance" of a trick.


I was thinking about this.  You are of course correct, but why go through the time to do a demonstration and not try to make it more of a performance?  It wouldn't take any more time or effort really.  If one "goes through the motions" they are still in motion, right?

Better to make the motions count.

I wouldn't be a customer for the wallet anyway and I wouldn't buy from MM for reasons stated in other threads.  I just thought the video was worth commenting on.
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Even the articles written about the ShamWow guy would be good for marketing.  I wonder what the sales of ShamWow looked like immediately after all the articles like this:

https://gawker.com/5187540/shamwow-guy-beats-up-cannibal-hooker



I'm having a hard time getting the visual of the above out of my head!

I can just imagine ShamWow boy hawking his wares to the cops.  "Hey, regarding that blood on the floor, I've got something that will make quick work of that if you're interested."
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I think the Demonstration is fine. It’s down to earth and matter of fact and allows prospective buyers (presumably magicians) a chance to observe the trick and make an objective decision as to whether it suits their purpose.

The fact that some of the observers here have done just that is a demonstration of its effectiveness.

I for one am sick to death of so-called demonstrations that are anything but. The camera’s over here, now it’s there, now it’s back, a close-up then a long shot, spectators drooling at the miracle they might be seeing. And the would be purchaser is left scratching his head.

I don’t know Rudy Hunter, but I do know Paul Hallas does and Paul rates him. So I think this is a well thought out demo. Dull as ditchwater? Matter of opinion. I don’t think so. It does the job.

I won’t be buying it. I’ve used the general principle here and there over the years and always had a soft spot for Don Alan’s "Big Deal". Still do. I bought mine from Ken Brooke. Can’t seem to find a performance/demo anywhere.

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"Absolutely Impossible" is correct.
I thought it was a Harry Stanley release. But I can't find it in my Unique catalogue, so it may be a Ken Brooke's Place Magic thing.

However in the Stanley catalogue is "Fifty Two To One" by Malcolm Davison. It's similar to this, but spectator fans the pack and removes an card. £2-00 or $8-00. Wallet included.
The catalogue is circa 1960/61.

"The Dai Vernon Book Of Magic" is Forty-five shillings. That's £2-25 in toytown money. Or $6-50 in the States.

And whoever the woman is, she clearly has never handled a pack of cards before.



I found a video and according to the video the trick is called Absolutely Impossible Wallet by Ken Brooke/SEO Magic.  The video demo is done to music with subtitles.



I stand by my contention that the trick can be done without an expensive wallet.

BTW, notice the interesting grip the "spectator" uses for the Hindu Shuffle.  It is sort of underhanded as opposed to overhand as is more typically done by magicians.  Almost makes it look like a  regular overhand shuffle, just that the cards are turned 90 degrees.
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I was thinking about this.  You are of course correct, but why go through the time to do a demonstration and not try to make it more of a performance?  It wouldn't take any more time or effort really.  If one "goes through the motions" they are still in motion, right?

Better to make the motions count.

I wouldn't be a customer for the wallet anyway and I wouldn't buy from MM for reasons stated in other threads.  I just thought the video was worth commenting on.


Similar to our discussion (here) of the presentation of Paul Hallas' trick ESPecially Wild. As I said before IMO while Meirs presentation is good Paul's actual performance is superior. 

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I stand by my contention that the trick can be done without an expensive wallet.


Absolutely, even no envelope required . For example, throw a second boxed deck on the pile with the selected card turned upside down or a different colour or just keep the "selected" card in the box, there are all kinds of options that can be played with.

It is more about the presentation than the method.

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I found a video and according to the video the trick is called Absolutely Impossible Wallet by Ken Brooke/SEO Magic.  The video demo is done to music with subtitles.


I stand by my contention that the trick can be done without an expensive wallet.

BTW, notice the interesting grip the "spectator" uses for the Hindu Shuffle.  It is sort of underhanded as opposed to overhand as is more typically done by magicians.  Almost makes it look like a  regular overhand shuffle, just that the cards are turned 90 degrees.

Oops! Well that’s told me. Just goes to show that my forever fallible memory fallibled and failed again.

Although it could be a fraudian slip. The wallet is not essential, therefore I subconsciously omitted it…...

The Don Alan thing uses a jumbo card. The spectator deals cards onto the face down jumbo, stopping when and wherever. The card stopped at matches the jumbo.

Still, magicians like wallets and this looks nice.

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The shuffle does indeed look like an overhand turned lengthwise.

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If anyone remembers the Blaine specials - the shuffle above would seem to be the most common among the Indian and Hispanic communities. It's also usually done at a much brisker pace, to what we would use with the Hindu Shuffle.


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Yeah that is David Howarth's Absolutely Impossible Wallet. Last 'official' version sold in the U.K was by Taurus Magic (Derek Lever, who at one time was partnered with David Howarth who made his electrical stuff).  Much later Derek included it in a book given away to Blackpool Convention registrants. I doubt the SEO version is authorized, since it credit's Ken Brooke.  Ken may have sold it at one time but his instructions would have credited David.

The initial demonstrator is Canada's Rudy Hunter who was no doubt asked to dem. it while working on other projects with Magic Makers (I think he did three or four DVD projects with them). Rudy is very entertaining when live, and usually is an excellent mentalist. The subject was probably one of the staff at MM and I doubt she knew the outcome.
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Thanks Paul it is nice when someone can fill in the blanks.
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Thanks for all the wonderful feedback and discussion.  It just proves again what a wonderful forum TMF is, and how classy, helpful, and knowledgeable the contributors here are!  
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