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Anybody else into gambling routines? I love them.
Do you guys use actual card cheating methods or do you do some pseudo stuff?

I'm currently working on a personal routine that combines both. Actual methods & some pseudo. Laymen won't know the difference. Also, pseudo demos are easier to do. I plan on performing it next month at our next IBM meeting.

It would be nice to see your favorite performances. You can post your own if you like.

I think this one by Steve Forte is excellent.
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=dqen7yHFtv4
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    My - Magician Vs. Gambler, The Lorayne Poker Deal, 10-Card Poker Deal, Card Sharp & The Four Gamblers, Poker Challenge, Poker Challenge Revisited, Poker Face, and etc.
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Awesome. I'm a big fan of your Card Sharp & The Four Gamblers. I performed it for my neighbor once (he's a card player) and I could see from his reaction that he was amazed.
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I always liked this quick demonstration by Jason England (28 second mark)

https://store.theory11.com/products/bottom-deal-jason-england


He also has a routine on The Unreal Work 2 Cheaters on a Train DVD called Aces to Order which is fantastic.  

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He got me. Those bottom deals were nice.
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One of my false deal demos.
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The only thing I expose are a couple of false shuffle's i.e the overhand false shuffle and a riffle false shuffle in telling the story ( a true story btw ), of a guy by the name of Pai Gow John who used a false shuffle to scam the casino's baccarat tables. After I do the above false shuffle's, I do Darwin Ortiz's Vegas Shuffle for the last series of mixing black and red cards together..in which the reds stays with the red cards and the black cards stay with the black cards.

I am not a big fan of just gambling demonstrations that just do a whole " show & tell " kinda thing. I'll leave that for Steve Forte.

Mostly I do pseudo routines that are of a gambling nature , in which , is a display of skill shown to the audience that one can do anything with a deck of cards. That's the impression I want to leave with them.

I do routines by Martin Nash, Jack Carpenter, Darwin Ortiz, Allan Ackerman among others. I don't do the whole youtube video thing..I guess I am somewhat of a dinosaur, but I am considering getting in on the contest here to get that book i.e Greater Magic book.

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    You might just LOVE a couple of these - or all of them:
My - Magician Vs. Gambler, The Lorayne Poker Deal, 10-Card Poker Deal, Card Sharp & The Four Gamblers, Poker Challenge, Poker Challenge Revisited, Poker Face, and etc.
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I get you Logan.
When I perform card cheating stuff, they don't get taught the handling. They just get a demo. Remember. I talk about gambling. I'm not exposing magic.

Basic stuff is what I do. Stuff that your average card player is already aware of.
I've dealt with laymen who talked to me about bottom deals, double lifts, and even bringing the chosen card to the top.

Steve Forte does what he does because his job is to protect casinos & players from cheats. He doesn't teach the handling either, and he's not exposing magic.
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=g1RoYS0JHA8
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You see my last video The Ghost? Even if I told my audience what I was doing (which I don't), they still wouln't understand it. No harm done.
You mention in your post that you want them to believe you can do anything with a deck of cards. Me too.
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Cardshark,
 
You may find this blog to be of interest if you are into crooked gambling, this guy was the real deal.http://richardmarcus-pokercheats.blogspot.com/

I get a lot of ideas here.

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Thanks for reminding me. I had visited that blog before. As a matter-of-fact, I was going to bookmark it on my phone right now & I noticed that it already was. I research alot bro.
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This one is nice. Dai Vernon himself doing a 3 Card Monte demo.
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=zoqlRsExOV4
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I'm sure he probably isnt the first to say this, but i think Daniel Madison said during the promo for his Mechanic DVD series "He who has learnt to cheat but has not, has wasted his time".

DJ - I love aces to order and performed it for family and my old chemistry class. Whenever I get put on the spot to do a gambling routine the first couple of tricks i would think to do definitely come from Cheaters On A Train (The 10 packet poker deal one for 5 card draw and Getting Burned for Texas Hold'em players)

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https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=lgpVH6xOR5w

Starting at the 3 minute mark from Lennart Green's FISM act, I like how he says "Of course, I never cheat. But I like the methods. I don't like the cheater's moral, but i'm very interested in gambling techniques." The whole performance is great.

I'm just a magician playing the part of a card mechanic. I don't take people's money dishonestly.

Synapse, I like Madison's stuff too. But remember. He's selling product. We play the part. Don't take every line like a life changing statement. Nice lines & patter are part of the show.
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synapse - definitely a lot of great material on the Unreal Work DVDs.  

Ironically, I picked up a copy of the book How to Cheat at Cards by Daniel Madison recently.  The quote you reference is in there.



 

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Alot of the new guys (i'm new too, but I guess I read alot) don't know much about the history of our art. And alot of the experienced fellas may have forgotten some parts.
Some of the techniques we magicians use is thanks to card mechanics. I love hearing stories of how Dai Vernon hearing of a cardshark, would track him down & learn their techniques. He would then bring this back to the magic community.

In this next crooked gambling demo, Ricky Jay schools us like not many can & tells the story of how 2 greats of magic, Dai Vernon & Charlie Miller, tracked down the Center Deal.
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=hJPbsiS5eCQ
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In the book Let's See the Deck there's the Marlo/Gardner Poker Deal, it's pretty fun. 
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Reminded by this thread... I'm planning to perform Lorayne's Poker Deal from Close-Up Card Magic (p. 153) tomorrow at the lunch table at work. I'll also be stealing the sample patter line ""Well now, here's a true story, which I just made up!"

This is going to be fun for me and entertaining for them! Thanks Harry!

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Do you guys know where I can find BEE  playing cards ? They use to be at Wal-Mart but all they have are Bicycle cards in the double pack.

Thanks in advance..

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Do you guys know where I can find BEE  playing cards ? They use to be at Wal-Mart but all they have are Bicycle cards in the double pack.

Thanks in advance..


You can buy BEE cards at Rite Aid (pharmacy). I know this for sure because I've gotten them there before. They're kinda expensive. A 2 deck Bicycle pack at Walmart is $3.21. And a single deck of BEE's at Rite Aid is gunna cost you around 7 bucks. They're nice though.
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I'll check out Rite-Aid as there is a store in my home town..

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No problem.
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Walgreens usually carries BEE decks as well as a small assortment of custom Bike decks.  
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I've found them at CVS for a little over $4. If you don't mind buying online you can also find them on theory11.com, amazon.com and eBay.com.
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You might check this link for Bee cards ($2.99 or less a deck):

http://www.webstaurantstore.com/bee-premium-playing-cards-poker/1151019449.html?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Shopping%20HP&utm_term=1100404859986&utm_content=Smallwares

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An old video of mine. Making a BEE deck dance.
They do handle well. You should get 'em.
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Nice job Cardshark...

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Thank you
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Very good Cardshark.I agree that Bee cards are very nice to handle.I used to use them a lot.
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I was going thru my old videos & I found center deals. It's from October of 2015, I was only handling cards for 6 months here.
I like taking card cheating moves & applying them to card magic. I was thinking one could use this center for a very nice ACAAN routine because after you have the selection returned, you mess with the deck very little.
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Matin Nash "the charming cheat"had quite a few gambling tricks on his videos,a lot of them used bottom deals centre deals and seconds,and he also did table faro shuffles.One of his tricks involed aces and kings and he would get a spectator to nominate a player,in 8 handed game,to get the 4 kings,and using second deal and table faro he would do this.I liked this but i changed it to become a 6 handed game,but still getting someone to nominate any player to get the kings.There is also an extra surprise at the end.I hope you like.

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Another great performance culldavid. I expected nothing less. One of the reasons I subscribed to you long ago.
Martin Nash loved & had so much of this style. I wish I would of met him. The Charming Cheat could execute the hardest sleights with ease even after having a hand partially paralysed from his logging days. He also had arthritis but you would never be able to tell.
His centers were so clean they looked like tops. I still watch his performances & half-ways through them, I have to pause to go mess with my cards. He inspires me greatly.

Starting at 39:17 of this magic documentary, "Masters of Mystery" you can see a lesser known clip of him. The only way I can explain his second deal is that he DOES actual magic. The "brief" is so, so fine.
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=HIaiuVuwvjo
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Crooked gambling routines can be very entertaining. Check out Martin Nash's patter. Some parts made me laugh.

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         Martin always kept thanking me for getting him into card magic - card magic as a living. He always said/wrote that he realized that a living could be made just doing card magic after seeing me lecture.  I kept telling him that it was my pleasure - and of course, it was/is. We got together whenever he was in New York and whenever I was in Canada. And he always, never missed, called me on Christmas Day.
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That's wonderful Mr. Lorayne. Thanks for sharing that.
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Thankyou very much for your very kind words Cardshark.I have just watched the first Nash video that you put up and i see that the very same trick which i mentioned in my post,about him using aces and kings,is on there.I dont have his set of videos anymore so i had forgotten where i had seen it.
Thanks also for putting up the second video.

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Guy Hollingworth talks about Erdnase & does a demo here:
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Guy Hollingworth talks about Erdnase & does a demo here:


Wow, that was fantastic. Although unless I've really messed up my EATCT studies, he didn't actually demonstrate any Erdnase techniques...maybe one of the shifts...
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It was, wasn't it. 😆

No you haven't messed up your studies. He just talks about Erdnase...although the push-through he does can be found in the book.
The demo is accomplished by other means.
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Paul Wilson, another magician that I like & who also does these type of demos.
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Paul Wilson, another magician that I like & who also does these type of demos.


This reminded me of a tv show where Paul Wilson tried to cheat real poker players.


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Yeah, I like that clip.
Paul brings in a "cooler" twice I believe. He does cheat them...but at the end he tells them.
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    My - Magician Vs. Gambler, The Lorayne Poker Deal, 10-Card Poker Deal, Card Sharp & The Four Gamblers, Poker Challenge, Poker Challenge Revisited, Poker Face, and etc.


Don't forget The Three Mechanics in Jaw Droppers. A real piece of genius.

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Absolutely - I'm quite proud of that.
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