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JackHeadspin

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Cups and Balls is by far my favorite of all the close-up tricks. It's what I do as the finale whenever I perform.

I've had a few sets within the past 4 years. My first was a plastic set from Magic Makers, then the aluminum set from Uday -- My current set now is actually the Penguin cups. Solid, heavy, made of copper, so they have a nice patina to them, which I REALLY love (It's an old trick, so the cups looking old makes it even better, in my opinion.)
Before I get sidetracked, I'm gonna get to the point. I'm on the lookout for a new set. One for working on the streets (And if anyone has advice for getting started in street performing, I'd appreciate that as well). The reason I'm on the lookout for new cups is because the Penguin ones are quite small, holding a maximum 2.65 inch load. I'm in search of a set that can carry bigger loads, as to be easily seen from a distance.

So yeah. What would you recommend?

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I use Gazzo cups made by Gary Animal. They are a nice size and weight and take a baseball load with room to spare.
I use baseballs because they don't go bad and have to be replaced every few days.
They take a lot of abuse as well.

In another post you mention that you already street perform. What kind of advice are you looking for?
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I use Gazzo cups made by Gary Animal. They are a nice size and weight and take a baseball load with room to spare.
I use baseballs because they don't go bad and have to be replaced every few days.
They take a lot of abuse as well.

In another post you mention that you already street perform. What kind of advice are you looking for?


I would definitely second this recommendation.  The cups are hand-spun, and are copper, truly the product of master craftsmanship.  And there very few cups out there, even very high quality and reputable ones that have the capacity to hold a final load the size of a baseball like the Gazzo cups do. They do cost a pretty penny though.
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I use Gazzo cups made by Gary Animal. They are a nice size and weight and take a baseball load with room to spare.
I use baseballs because they don't go bad and have to be replaced every few days.
They take a lot of abuse as well.

In another post you mention that you already street perform. What kind of advice are you looking for?


I have tried to find a set of Gary Animal cups before, but have had zero success in doing so. The closest I've been able to come across were the Gazzo cups from Rings n' Things.
In terms of street performing, I'm trying to expand. I've performed in a few small places before, but, when it comes to being able to perform in larger areas, I've no idea how to go about that, whether permission is required, all that jazz.

I was recently called and booked to perform outside a Moe's Southwest Grill, which I'll be doing in two days from now. Not sure if that really counts or will help out in any way

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RNTII makes quality cups. I'm sure you'd do well if you picked up a set of their Gazzo cups.

Booked to perform outside Moe's. That's great. That's like getting paid to busk except you don't hat the crowd. I'm guessing that's the situation.
I work a lot of local festivals and treat it like busking. I either stay at a spot or stroll and when I do stop, it's my job to build my crowd so I can do a show.
Go in with that mind set and that will help you out. You'll be performing many times during that time period most likely repeating some tricks.
That will help you fine tune your material. You'll see what works, make changes to what doesn't work, find new bits to add that you made up on the spot, etc.

Let us know how it turns out.
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When I said "master craftsmanship" in my previous post, in relation to the Gazzo cups, I was referring to RNT, but forgot to specify that. Like I said, they are not cheap, but are well worth the money if you have it in your budget...
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In the Bruce Elliott book “Classic Secrets Of Magic” Chapter 12 is “The Eternal Cups and Balls and in that chapter he has routines using (1) standard cups and balls, (2) paper cups, and (3) a bowl.

 

That made me wonder why it was necessary to purchase cups from a magic shop.

 

At any rate, I posted several routines on the Perverse Magic thread of the Genii Forum and here is a description of the second such routine posted on August 1, 2015.

 

(I’m only posting the “Effect ” here - If you are interested you can look up the full posting.)

 

Perverse Benson Bowl Routine – Stand Up

 

Way back on this thread – April 2, 2004 – I posted “The Sponge Ball- Cup Routine which I said was a combination of the ideas of Slydini, Roy Benson and Dr. Jaks. That routine was a ‘sit down’ routine involving “lapping”.

 

Sometimes it’s not practical to be able to be seated and you may have to be standing before a group. This is such a routine and, as presented, with the performer being confused, amazed and surprised it’s a good example of Perverse Magic.

 

Effect

 

1          The magician asks a woman to help him and when she joins him he shows her that he just bought a new trick that he wants to try.

 

 He shows her he has a small bag on the table and from that bag he removes:

 

            *          A bowl

 

*          A part of a tree branch – which he says is his magic wand – but he looks at it questioningly.  

 

“The guy in the magic shop said I didn’t have to spend the money for a magic wand I could just use any wood so I’m going to try this.”

 

            *          A purse frame

 

“I don’t understand this but this frame is supposed to work without a bag.” He shrugs.

 

2          The magician produces a sponge ball from the purse frame and he looks amazed and he gives it to the woman to hold and he stares at the purse frame and then puts the purse frame into his right jacket pocket.

 

3          He says he’s going to make the ball go from his hand to the bowl. He takes the ball from the woman and puts the ball into his left hand and touches his hand with the stick and touches the bowl. He opens his left hand and the ball is still there.

 

He is confused. He scratches his head. It didn’t work. He examines the ball and gives it back to the woman to hold.

 

            “Let me try to get another ball.”

 

4          He takes out the purse frame and takes another ball from it.

 

5          Again he puts the new ball into his left hand, touches his hand and then the bowl with the stick.

 

            This time – success – the ball is gone from his left hand. He is surprised. But it’s not under the bowl. He is confused.

 

            He scratches his head and then he feels something at his neck and pulls the ball from his collar. He is more confused.

 

6          This time when he puts the ball in his left hand and touches his left hand and the bowl with the stick the ball vanishes from the hand and appears under the bowl. He is pleased but appears a bit surprised.

 

7          “I think it’s this stick – uh – magic wand that does it all. Look, if I put one ball in my left hand and one in my pocket—and touch my hand with the stick—“ He does and shows two balls in his left hand. He is happy.

 

            This is repeated. The magician is pleased.

 

            And repeated again but this time only one ball is in the left hand. The magician is confused. He looks under the bowl and there it is. He scratches his head again.

 

8          “Let me try something – look—” He puts one ball in his left hand and gives one to the woman and then taps both his hand and hers with the stick and he shows his left hand empty and when the spectator opens her hand – there are two balls.

 

9          “But my favorite is making it go from my hand to the bowl.” He again puts a ball into his left hand, taps his left hand and taps the bowl. It is gone from his left hand and under the bowl is – is a bagel. He is confused and gives the bagel to the woman to keep.

 

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RNTII makes quality cups. I'm sure you'd do well if you picked up a set of their Gazzo cups.

Booked to perform outside Moe's. That's great. That's like getting paid to busk except you don't hat the crowd. I'm guessing that's the situation.
I work a lot of local festivals and treat it like busking. I either stay at a spot or stroll and when I do stop, it's my job to build my crowd so I can do a show.
Go in with that mind set and that will help you out. You'll be performing many times during that time period most likely repeating some tricks.
That will help you fine tune your material. You'll see what works, make changes to what doesn't work, find new bits to add that you made up on the spot, etc.

Let us know how it turns out.


Paid to busk but without hatting is exactly what it is, basically.
In terms of finding local festivals, or large public places in general, is permission to do so required? I remember calling up the guy running the Spiedie Fest (Yeah, that's actually a thing around where I live, it's a festival dedicated to a sandwich that's very popular in Binghamton), and they declined. I had to do the same for the flea market that I used to perform at, which I stopped doing as it kept becoming more and more of a chore just to get some people gathered.
This may be a goofy thought, but I did recently have the idea of performing at the laundromat I go to during its busy hours.
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i don't think the performing-at-the-laundromat idea is goofy at all.  People are typically sitting or standing around, oftentimes bored, and they have cash with them.  Any opportunity to perform is a good one in my view. They are entertained, you get to improve your skills and presentation, and maybe pick up a chunk of change along the way...Sounds like a win/win to me. [thumb]
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Now if you could make a laundry themed routine.
  • Vanishing soap
  • or appearing soap, via TT like the salt
  • silk to .....
  • 4 coin matrix, where the coins each appear via some circumstance, then transpose per the usual matrix routine, then use them to pay for the next load


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Originally Posted by JackHeadspin

Cups and Balls is by far my favorite of all the close-up tricks. It's what I do as the finale whenever I perform.

I've had a few sets within the past 4 years. My first was a plastic set from Magic Makers, then the aluminum set from Uday -- My current set now is actually the Penguin cups. Solid, heavy, made of copper, so they have a nice patina to them, which I REALLY love (It's an old trick, so the cups looking old makes it even better, in my opinion.)
Before I get sidetracked, I'm gonna get to the point. I'm on the lookout for a new set. One for working on the streets (And if anyone has advice for getting started in street performing, I'd appreciate that as well). The reason I'm on the lookout for new cups is because the Penguin ones are quite small, holding a maximum 2.65 inch load. I'm in search of a set that can carry bigger loads, as to be easily seen from a distance.

So yeah. What would you recommend?



For anyone that are satisfied with their cups except for the aging.... I took a friend of mines copper cups to a local shop that did gold and chrome plating. He got them chrome plated and polished for $60. They came out beautiful.
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I don't suppose it matters which cups are best for a performer if you can do a great routine? I used to like Pat Page's routine with three coffee mugs and rolled up banknotes.
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I enjoy watching routines with clear cups.  Jason Latimer is one good example...
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I don't suppose it matters which cups are best for a performer if you can do a great routine? I used to like Pat Page's routine with three coffee mugs and rolled up banknotes.

Of course not. Im sure it's a matter of personal preference ie. Heavier... Shinier... Bigger for largrr loads etc.
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I enjoy watching routines with clear cups.  Jason Latimer is one good example...

I will have to check it out
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I will have to check it out

Very clever!
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I too like the Penguin cups and learned that these days, they can be had for about $35 during one of their auctions. A steal, at that price.
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Can't pretend they're "the best", but I would never get rid of my Sherwood set- copper, not the engraved ones, I'm not good enough to deserve them! And ,also... I cannot afford them!
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I have a set of Bertram cups that I bought at Magic Inc. in Chicago years ago for $25. I also have the Tom Frank Phoenix cups. The Frank set comes with the Tayade balls and a wooden stick (wand). 

I'm not a fan of the arty cups e.g. Sherwood with engraving etc. Since most presentations talk about the cups and balls being the oldest trick in magic etc, it makes more sense that the cups look old and even beaten up. This is especially true for use in street magic like with Gazzo. But even for a formal close up show, perhaps a well worn set seems more authentic. 

Mike


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RNTII has the Gazzo cups available as well as the Phoenix II cups which are much cheaper, $260.00 compared to $400.00, both in satin copper finish.
While smaller, the Phoenix II will take a tennis ball sized load.

Either cup would do the trick...
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