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Buffalo McKinley

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Hello!

I really like the Diagonal Palm Shift.

When pushing the card into the deck with my right hand (I'm right-handed), often the corner of the card bumps into my right thumb (the pivot thumb), instead of passing to the side of the thumb.

Any tips on how to avoid this issue?  (Any other tips are welcome, as well.)

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Buffalo, try lowering your right thumb on the pack so that the tip hangs below the edge a bit.  Since everyone's hands are different, what works for some may not work for all.  I tend to place my thumb at the extreme lower left corner of the pack, nearly on the corner itself.  Try that.

BTW, I admire you for working on this sleight.  I could argue that there are other things that should be mastered first, but there is no reason not to begin working on it.  Some folks learn quickly, others spend months if not years working until they can do it to their satisfaction.  Most can't do it at all.  So kudos to you!
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Buffalo McKinley

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Buffalo, try lowering your right thumb on the pack so that the tip hangs below the edge a bit. 


Thanks, Ray!

The tip of the thumb hangs below the BOTTOM edge of the pack of cards?

-Buffalo
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Michael Close offers three ebooks on the subject of palming.  Each is described as a chapter of a whole treatise - he suggests working through them in order.   The DPS (and variations) is covered in Volume 3: 

https://www.michaelclose.com/products/palming-vol-3-the-side-steal-download

Close describes the DPS as "the move that separates the men from the boys"
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Thanks, Ray!

The tip of the thumb hangs below the BOTTOM edge of the pack of cards?

-Buffalo


Yes, as I do it the edge of the deck contacts the ball of my thumb and the left edge of my thumb projects down below the bottom edge of the cards.  It doesn't get in the way or otherwise impede the movement of the card as it swivels.
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I just looked it up in TEATCT, the text from which Vernon learned it and the first figure shows the thumb in the same position my thumb is in.  Erdnase goes on to explain that the right thumb is near the inner corner.  If you don't own it, you can find a .pdf of "The Expert" online for free as it is in the public domain now.  But I encourage you to own a hardcopy.  It is a great book and fun to read.  At least to me!
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Buffalo McKinley

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Yes, as I do it the edge of the deck contacts the ball of my thumb and the left edge of my thumb projects down below the bottom edge of the cards.  It doesn't get in the way or otherwise impede the movement of the card as it swivels.



HUGE help! 

Also, I own The Expert at the Card Table, but I looked at the PDF you sent me.  Using the index finger on the right hand as the card is pressed into the deck is also a big help.

So, many nuances to the Diagonal Palm Shift.

It seems like the thumb on the right hand not only has the card pivot on it, but it also guides the card into the palm of your left hand.

Thanks, Ray!
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I believe Roger Klause performed the move in two steps. Step 1 would set the card into a jogged position. In step 2 the card would rotated into the left palm. 

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Mike, I think you are correct. Roger did that with difficult moves sometimes. Breaks it up and can help it appear more casual.
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He called them half-moves. Roger Klause In Concert by Lance Pierce is required reading in imo.
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Alex Pandrea has an incredible Diagonal Palm Shift.  I've always has issues with it.  Perhaps I'll try again.   I know what is supposed to happen.  But there seems to be a disconnect between my brain and my hands. 
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Alex Pandrea has an incredible Diagonal Palm Shift.


He shared tips on the DPS on his channel...




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John Luka has a chapter of Paul Chosse's work with the DPS in L.I.N.T. Paul was a true master and this is well worth the read.

If it is of interest wait until LL ePub has a sale and you can get it for peanuts. It's a worthwhile investment.

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Buffalo McKinley

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Alex Pandrea has an incredible Diagonal Palm Shift.  I've always has issues with it.  Perhaps I'll try again.   I know what is supposed to happen.  But there seems to be a disconnect between my brain and my hands. 



Yes...I first heard about the DPS in Alex Pandrea's video.  No criticism of Alex (I love his videos), but there are other nuances to the DPS that I was able to find in other videos, such as videos produced by Chris Ramsay and 52Kards.

AND, RayJ gave me a few tips that were invaluable.

Thanks, everyone!

-Buffalo
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I've seen David Williamson performing his DPS and giving advices on his Ridiculous DVD set. 

I think his advices are useful but I don't know to what extend as this move is way over my head at the moment and I can't tell how much you know about he move yourself. It might be useful to you (plus there are tons of great material in this DVD set if you can afford it).

I've also seen that John Carney is giving some tips on it in his Dan & Dave video now available on Vanishing Inc : https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic-downloads/card-magic-downloads/carney-on-the-diagonal-palm-shift/

I have only seen the preview but I think you can't really go wrong for five bucks, plus it's John Carney. Pay attention to the fact that he is left handed, and it might be a problem to learn the placement of your fingers.

I hope this helps.

Lucas.
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Step 1:Read EATCT
Step 2:Practice
Step 3:Repeat Steps 1 & 2

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