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sjrwheeler

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Hey guys,

I've been working on an idea for a while. And I'm struggling to come up with a solution. 

It started as a card trick, essentially a do as I do style routine. I wanted them to think of a card which they remove and put in their pocket. I would then think of a card and remove that to put it in my pocket. We would both go through a "procedure" which was purely presentational and then I would name their card and they would name mine. 

But, what I'd really like to be able to use is words. So they write down a word, I write down a word and then after the "procedure" we are both able to name each others words. 

Its fairly easy for me to get their word. I'd use an impression pad, after they write down their word and tear it out, I will write down my word and get my peek. 

The problem I have is with them getting my word. 
I figure there are 2 approaches:
1 - Use some kind of word force, so they name the word I wrote down
2 - Change my word after they have named what they think my word is (either through multiple outs or secret writing). 


1 - I don't think I can use a force in this case. It just doesn't fit with what I'm doing. 

2a - I have no desire to use a nail writer or pocket write. Not for this type of situation where I'll need to write potentially long words. But I appreciate that this might be my best option. Especially if I want to keep the effect as clean as I've described it. 


2b - I wouldn't mind limiting the set of options with the excuse that "its your first time, so I'll give you a clue..." so I could use a billet index with multiple outs.



I feel like there must be a third option. And I've been trying to create some combination of one ahead and switches to create this.
It makes the effect a little more messy because it means I have to write down my guess for their word rather than saying it out loud. Which for consistency also means they need to write down their guess for my word so I can secretly peek it and then write it down as I am apparently guessing their word.

Unfortunately, I'm not quite there yet.


So my questions:

- Can you point me in the direction of any resources in this style of routine? Either Do as I Do done with words or drawings etc, or ways of spectators being able to name the word I'm thinking of.
- Do you have any other tips or ideas which might help me?

Thanks,

Sam

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I think the nail writer will be difficult to beat as a solution. Just limit the choice by telling them that your word is four letters or something like that. You know their word by impression or the Cornelius thing. Then you ask them how many letters in their word, which reinforces the notion that you don't know anything. Tell them that your word has four or maybe five letters etc. You could use the new style nail writer with the magnet etc and an envelope. They put theirs into an envelope and so do you. 

I think it's a cool idea to use words in this context.

BTW - Paul Cummins has a great solution to the card version called Tap A Lac. It uses clocking.

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sjrwheeler

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Thats a good idea, I hadn't thought about limiting the length of my word. Thanks Mike. 

Now I'm going to have to start practising with my nail writer! I expect I'll use a boon as I keep my nails too short and any attempt at using a nail writer in the past has resulted in it pinging off into the distance! 
What would be the benefit of using a nail writer with a magnet? And what exactly is the new style of nail writer? 

I love Tap A Lac. I used it for a number of years and I got quite good at clocking for a while. But I started performing using borrowed decks (in the UK most pubs has a deck of cards behind the bar). And I'm often losing cards from my own deck so I couldn't rely on clocking any more. 

 

Thanks for your suggestion Mike! 

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I forget the name of the product. It comes with somewhat small (coin size) black envelopes and a writer with a magnet on it. The writer is bent so that it only writes if you push the bent up portion down and onto the writing surface. The stack of envelopes has a shim in it so that the gizmo stays on the back side of the envelopes. You just put your thumb on it, move it by sliding into position and then push the writing tip down onto the paper through the opening as I recall.

Someone will know the name of this item...

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I may or may not have anything of value to add; that'll be up to you. 

First, I agree with Mike that a) it's a cool idea to use words in the context, and b) the nail writer may be your best bet. Before I read down to your point 2a, I thought - Swami gimmick!

Here's the food for thought I bring to the pot luck:

1. In the latest issue of Genii Magazine, Jim Steinmeyer offers an interesting bit of mentalism called The Read Letter. If you have access to the issue, it might be worth studying the routine. Steinmeyer uses a poem to limit word choices, followed by a serious of outs using three spectators. Obviously not a fit for your idea, but I think it worth a glance as I sense there may be something in there if you take the time to ferret it out.

2. In John Bannon's latest set of bound lecture notes, Lucky, there is a routine called A Fred By Any Other Name. It's a version of an old Fred Lowe effect, but Bannon uses an index that he consults right beneath the noses of the spectators. I have not yet made up the index and tried the trick, but it reads like a real gem. Anyhow, I bring this up as you might use the effect as a launching point. It'd (probably) entail using the index as a limited list of words, and also using a deck of cards, but I can see that as a plus; an added level of impossibility.

Ah well, there's my free advice and no doubt worth every cent paid! Best of luck, and please let us know what you come up with.

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This may not be exactly what you are looking for, but how about using the "standard" Do As I Do using 2 decks, but your decks are blank decks with actual words or names written on them?  If you want to get away from cards, these could also be business or flash cards.
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Boris Wild has a clever take on the "I find your card, then you find my card" plot.  I think it is in his new notes "Sensations".  It would work just as well with words written on the cards as it does with standard playing cards.
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sjrwheeler

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Yeh I am really thinking that a nail writer will give me the cleanest version of this effect. 

I do have access to the Genii archives, so I will check out The Read Letter, thanks for the tip. Bannon's Lucky notes are great. I really want to keep away from using cards if I can. 
Their total free choice of word is vital, and not a problem. This is a very conversational and casual effect, and so I really don't want to introduce cards, it wouldn't make sense with the concept. 
That said, I am a big fan of Boris Wild, so I will definitely check out his Sensations notes.


To be honest, I've always disliked nail writers, but I'd be willing to move past that for this effect. However I worked out this alternative handling:

 

- I ask them to write their word and tear out the page. 
- I now apparently write my word but really I peek their word and write "Jay will think of House" or whatever
- We have some procedure which is the concept for this effect. 
- I now ask them to write down what word they think I am thinking of.
- I now apparently write down what word I think they are thinking of, but really I peek the word they think I wrote, and then I write "My word is Cat" or whatever. 
- Then we both reveal the paper with Jay's word on it, then we both reveal the paper with my word on it. 

I haven't tried this on anyone. It certainly involves more overt handling than using a nail writer, so the effect is less direct. But another option. 

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