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Mind Phantom

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I think most of us here have seen Richard Turner do some unbelievable things with cards and mostly being able to do routines in which the exact number of cards are cut from the deck.

I am pretty sure most of us here on TMF can't do things like that. So, what are some routines that give the illusion that we are cutting the exact number of cards off the deck ?

Mine are Martin Nash's The Slug & Weighted from the Charming Cheat video's, I think Vol # 4 for both routines. Harry has a routine called Spectator Cut's The Aces..which starts out as a estimation trick but ends with the 4 aces.

What are some of your favorite estimation effects and where can they be found ?

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Actual estimation like estimation aces and marlos miracle routine are pretty fun. About a year ago I decided I wanted to be able to cut to 26 cards exactly from a deck placed flat on the table. It's not that hard to learn, but takes a long time. I wouldn't recommend it as it's much easier to cut 26 with the deck in your hands.

For routines that don't use estimation but look like they do, the first one that occurred to me when reading your post was Blackstones Card and Number from Greater Magic. Harry has an impromptu version called Numero Uno in CCV3 if I'm not mistaken. Darwin Ortiz also has a pretty nifty one, but for the life of me I can't remember where...
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About the Darwin Ortiz effect, maybe you meant "One Shot, One Kill", from "Lessons in Card Mastery"?
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Harry has written many many routines in his book that use Estimation 
I don't have anything with Estimation in my set but do check out Lorayne's writing on it
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Some of you may find this interesting: https://www.lybrary.com/kato-on-estimation-p-222.html

Others... not so much.
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Bill Tarr published an effect using estimation in The Now You See It, Now You Don't! Notebook called Yet Another Impossible Location, that does in fact live up to its title. It's also fun to perform.
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About the Darwin Ortiz effect, maybe you meant "One Shot, One Kill", from "Lessons in Card Mastery"?


You know I think that's it!
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About the Darwin Ortiz effect, maybe you meant "One Shot, One Kill", from "Lessons in Card Mastery"?

You know I think that's it!


Darwin has created many effects that require tough handlings, this one is sleightless and leaves the impression that you're an expert cardman:

The performer gives a super-human demonstration of his/her ability to cut off any number of cards, estimate and track the spectators cuts, and even track his shuffles.

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Paul Gordon presented a great estimation cutting to aces effect in his forum lecture last year (or maybe it was the year before). I think it was called Easy Estimation Aces. Benjamin Earl’s Real Cut Aces from Less is More is probably (read definately) worth a mention in this discussion.
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    You might want to check out my (B)estimation Aces in JAW DROPPERS 1.
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Check out my Easy Ace Estimation from Gold Dust and Gold Dust Live 3-DVD box set. You can see a demo on my website at http://www.paulgordon.net
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Check out my Easy Ace Estimation from Gold Dust and Gold Dust Live 3-DVD box set. You can see a demo on my website at http://www.paulgordon.net


Thanks Paul for setting me right, that was the one I made reference to above. It is a real gem.
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Thanks Paul for setting me right, that was the one I made reference to above. It is a real gem.
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Thank you. Kind words indeed. Paul

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This
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The Commercial Magic of J.C. Wagner contains a great chapter on estimation.
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Thanks Cardshark Quixote for the video. It's always  good to see a woman doing close up well. The last ace in EA is problematic. The counting thing is an excellent way to get there. I think Bill Malone teaches it that way on the Marlo vids if memory serves. You can also produce it in a variety of ways since you have the deck open within a card of the ace.

Thanks!

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There are several non-sleight estimating the number of cards" tricks in Tony Kardyro's "The Routine Supreme".
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    Check out my effect, STOP! - it's somewhere here on the forum --- Special Sessions?  (I'm a terrible computer person!)
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    Check out my effect, STOP! - it's somewhere here on the forum --- Special Sessions?  (I'm a terrible computer person!)


I was about to suggest this effect, this is one of my favorite estimation tricks and it's a beautiful miracle
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   And you might as well also check (B)Estimation Aces - JAW DROPEPRS ONE.
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You welcome Mike. Glad you enjoyed it.
Ever since I first saw that performance I loved it. I'm so used to watching men handle cards & watching a female do the manipulation brings me joy. She's super cool too.

The Charming Cheat also did it very nicely. I like the patter he uses for the final ace.
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I would not consider the trick an estimation trick that you are talking about. The way I preform it is as an estimation trick. It is Harry Lorayne's foursome trick. I say I'm going to estimate what you card is by picking out 4 cards and do the trick like that. Then at the end with the reveal of the same value cards I say estimation wouldn't matter because I have the other cards with me.
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If you're referring to my posts, then you're mistaken. The original effect title is Marlo's Miracle Aces. But everyone calls it Estimation Aces.
And yes, there's estimation involved to locate the aces. Therefore, I claim you are wrong.

If your post wasn't directed towards me. Well then I sincerely apologize.
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If you're referring to my posts, then you're mistaken. The original effect title is Marlo's Miracle Aces. But everyone calls it Estimation Aces.
And yes, there's estimation involved to locate the aces. Therefore, I claim you are wrong.

If your post wasn't directed towards me. Well then I sincerely apologize.


Hi Cardshark Quixote,

I believe that was Harrisgagnon is trying to say is that, while it’s not exactly what you’re taking about, he likes to perform Harry’s “Foursome” as an estimation effect.

I hope he’ll correct me if I’m wrong.

I hope that you had a great thanksgiving, bro!

Rudy

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