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Wayne T

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I was recently at a weekend get away for couples (some were friends other were strangers to me) and someone asked me to do a trick. I had recently been practicing a trick which uses some turn over and cut moves and ends with book folding phase to reveal a selected card.

Unfortunately spectator I chose did not follow my shuffling instructions and totally screwed up the process. It was my fault at not managing them properly so I was kinda stuck as I knew the trick would not work and if I started again everyone would know I screwed up but anyway I decided to say that I mixed up the instructions and would come back to that trick later and started a new trick.

It shook me a bit but I did a couple of go to things. It was no big deal (I was not being paid to entertain, it was just spontaneous thing)

Oh well lesson learned, I definitely have to be more careful/alert when having someone follow instructions.

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Yes, never assume they understand. We know cards, we speak about cards and some of us fall asleep with cards. Most people are pretty clueless when it comes to cards.

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Yeah, that’s a tough one because no matter how much private practice you put into your preparation, the ability to effectively direct spectators comes only with actual experience, i.e your own trial and error.  The good news is that the more you do it, the better you will become at it.


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I try to avoid tricks like that for that very reason. I don’t like the level of uncertainty. One think you can do to lessen your chances of failure is to demonstrate what the person is supposed to do. That is, if the trick allows it. Also match actions to words in real time. Don’t explain and then show. Instead, explain and show step by step.
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I try to avoid tricks like that for that very reason. I don’t like the level of uncertainty. One think you can do to lessen your chances of failure is to demonstrate what the person is supposed to do. That is, if the trick allows it. Also match actions to words in real time. Don’t explain and then show. Instead, explain and show step by step.


Good point given they only had 12 cards I could have used some from the rest of the deck. I might just change the presentation where I do the mixes (Simply giving them choices but I will execute the cuts and shuffles). But as Arthur mentioned, the more I try it under real conditions, the better I should become.

It wasn't the worst thing that has ever happened to me.... LOL

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...Most people are pretty clueless when it comes to cards.


Even worse when it's the supposed magician - LOL

But seriously Ray thanks for the advice.

Way

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     What you describe in your opening post HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH MY EFFECT, REALLY!  Please.

"... which ends with book folding square to reveal a selected card."  WHAAAT?  My effect , Really!, has absolutely nothing to do with a "selected card."  Please!
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     What you describe in your opening post HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH MY EFFECT, REALLY!  Please.

"... which ends with book folding square to reveal a selected card."  WHAAAT?  My effect , Really!, has absolutely nothing to do with a "selected card."  Please!


Ok that reference has been deleted, looks like I screwed up twice, I apologize if I confused anyone.

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Ok that reference has been deleted, looks like I screwed up twice, I apologize if I confused anyone.

Wayne


I’m curious to know what effect you were doing. When you say “book folding”, do you mean that the cards are each dealt out to from a square and then you turn them in on each other? (Kinda hard to describe).

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Like my earlier gaffs I may have misnamed this phase but after some turn over and cut moves you lay out the 12 cards in their face up or face down orientation in 3  x 4 grid.

You then ask the spectator if they want to fold the top row of 4 cards down on to the middle row (or the bottom row up on to the middle row) or the left column to the right (or the right column to the left) continuing these moves until all 12 cards are folded back into a single stack.

When done correctly when you spread the single pile of 12 cards all with be face down except for a previously made selection.

I know that Lennart Green has a lot of variations of these "folding tricks", but I think his most known one is "4 Aces Squared" which uses a 4 x 4 grid.

You can see his trick at 1:25 mark of this YouTube video.

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If you watched Copperfield on Penn and Teller, even he had a momentary issue with basic instructions. 
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    Deleted?   REALLY! is still referred to in your opening post.  Talk about confusing - and WRONG information!!!


Hi Harry, I think that there may be a misunderstanding. Wayne is saying that he was doing a trick that utilizes the turn over and cut principle (which is used for “Really!”) and was going into another effect ((different from yours) that got screwed up when the spectator shuffled the deck.

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    Deleted?   REALLY! is still referred to in your opening post.  Talk about confusing - and WRONG information!!!


I must have failed to correctly save my edits, I redid them and believe this time I saved them correctly.

Again I can only offer my apologies.

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        I'm confused Nothing new - I usually START confused!  Can only suggest that if you don't know my REALLY! you do some (re)searching and find it. You'll see why I'm confused and learn one heck of an impromptu card effect at the same time. If you don't know it - you really have to start reading the good stuff!!
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When asked to perform, use a "Go-To" routine. Leave the new/experimental stuff alone. Try it later if the mood is conducive, but otherwise forget it.


Now THAT is the best advice so far!

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John Bannon has a clever "folding the cards" routine called "Origami Poker"   5 x 5 grid, some cards face up, some face down, volunteer folds them into a single pile.  You can guess the result.
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John Bannon has a clever "folding the cards" routine called "Origami Poker"   5 x 5 grid, some cards face up, some face down, volunteer folds them into a single pile.  You can guess the result.


Thanks Robin, I will look that up, the one I was doing produces a single selected card, Lennart Green's produces any 4 of a kind you set up, Bannon's Origami producing a 5 card poker hand might be a good opener for a couple of poker demos.

Wayne 

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