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Inner Circle
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As most of you know the cut on the new Bicycle cards with the Free App emblem on the front side of the case are tough to faro FD starting the top , which is how I faro, but easy to get a perfect faro starting with them FU in the hands. So what I do with the ones I bought at Costco is to faro them face up but don't push them in to square yet. Turn them face down and then bend the cards down at the ends with the RH to spring them into the LH. Keep doing that for 30 minutes and you will get the right bend in them and then you can faro FD without a problem.

 Or you can just get Phoenix decks that faro right out of the box which is what I do now.

Inner Circle
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rready -- Hello! I'm certainly not a Faro expert but like just about everyone, I love the Faro as it is really a three-in-one move (a shuffle, a flourish, and control) and is executed without any cover. I prefer using Bikes simply because they are so prevelant in the USA. From my experience, most guys that Faro regularly can Faro in BOTH directions as the principle is the same; there are advantages to this (for example, using the "Penelope Principle" or a Table Faro require a bottom-top weave, while many routines only require the top cards to be Faroed and are perfect for a top-bottom approach). As you have pointed out, it depends on the cut of the cards from the factory, but I find that when I Faro cards in there natural direction (whatever that is) a dozen times or so I'm then able to Faro in either direction (a verification of your observation, for sure). Kostya Kimlet says he Faros a couple of dozen times to "break them in". Steven Youell applies a fairly detailed file/sanding process to the edges of the cards before using them (although I have not had too much luck with that). Turner Gold Seal Bikes are always good for Faroing right out of the box (either direction) and look like standard Bikes (Jason Ladayne removes the gold seal from the box, however), and with Bee thickness they definitely last longer than standard Bikes (too bad they cost more). When I purchase (frequently) Costco "bricks" (standard Bikes), I find that maybe 2-3 of the dozen decks are sometimes problematic for me. Phoenix cards are ALWAYS terrific and possess "additional" properties if needed (which everyone here is aware of, I'm sure). Bottom line, I agree with you, there are ways to adjust the cards to Faro the way you want Thanks for posting this tip -- johnny
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Inner Circle
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Nice technique rready.

I also use Bikes JohnnyNewYork. I switch back & forth between Standard & Jumbo though. I happen to like the big blocky numbers & faces of the latter.
My latest cards are standard Bikes from a Costco brick.
I love the Phoenix decks. They're beautiful. And I've heard nothing but good things from the Turner Gold Seals.
The good thing about some effects that use the Faro is that it doesn't have to be perfect. Sometimes only a good chunk of the deck needs to be interlaced.
Tom G

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Bikes here too.  Over the years I've picked up so many Bike gimmicks it'd be foolish to change. I am a big fan of the Turner Gold Seals though.  And the "Buffing the Deck" video by Steven Youell is worth it for treating a standard deck, although I just use a very fine paper instead of the nail board.

A couple of weeks ago I went to a lecture at a magic shop and decided to try a Phoenix deck, and not to start a flame war, just for me, wasn't all that impressed.
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Inner Circle
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rready et al, I feel compelled to write this.  

I do not perform.  But, I can faro most of the time.  Conditions will be a factor.  First, I learned to faro from the Mike Close pdf.  That's it.  Bottom up.  

I also will "file" now and then per the Steven Youell YouTube.  Seems like many folks have that file!  I made a little box that when you drop the cards in puts them at a 45 degree angle.  Then I file away.  It seems to help.  But, here's the thing.  If you get a deck that is fighting you, turn it over and try it that way, i.e., face up.  Bet they go right in.  That's the cut of the paper (sometimes the kind of paper).  

Agreeing with Tom G, I try to grab Richard Turner's fine decks when I can.  Tom G... Phoenix... me too!

I got a box o' Bikes at Costco.  I have opened just a couple and they faro like butter.  Who knows what lurks...

Finally, I was talking about this with a friend who is a professional.  We agreed if a deck is fighting you, put in in a pile for non-faro tricks.  It is not easy to do a perfect faro, but, when you don't perform (me), are extremely old and decrepit (me), watching tv (me), good time to practice. And like Mr. Lorayne says, one day, it was there...

Hope this helps.  

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