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Hello Everyone!  

I would be interested in picking y'alls brains on two questions... both having to do with close up card magic.  As an amateur most of my magic is done without a close up pad, without a table necessarily, moments notice and just for fun.  

1) what three pick-a-card tricks are your go-to's that can be done in less than 60 seconds?

2) what non pick a card tricks do you do/like that can be done in less than a minute?

For me...

pick a card... 
1) This is the card - Rannie Raymundo
2) world's greatest card trick - Paul Gordon
3) simple shot gun- Frank Garcia

non pick...
1) gymnastic aces - Paul Le Paul
2) Ambitious card - David Ben 
3) Dr Daley Last Trick - Dr Jacob Daley

4) Leap Frog - Dave Campbell (but this one might take 2 mins)

thanks for your thoughts!

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Good subject.

I need to give it more thought, but I've always been partial to Harry Lorayne's One Eyed Jack Sandwich. There's a lot to recommend it.

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Just curious, why less than 60 seconds?
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For quick tricks I like for them to pick a card, control it to the top, then any color change to reveal.
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Good subject.

I need to give it more thought, but I've always been partial to Harry Lorayne's One Eyed Jack Sandwich. There's a lot to recommend it.

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I love Harry's One Eyed Jacks!  I just did it for some students in Colorado and it killed!

thanks Intensely!  
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Just curious, why less than 60 seconds?


Hey Evil Dan

I was thinking 60 seconds (as a starter trick) because most of the time that is the window of opportunity I am given.  If I cannot cut to the chase in 60 seconds then I probably will lose them.  So long counting tricks are out for me... at least at the start. 

I think that is why Paul Gordon recommended starting with "world's greatest card trick"... because with a selection, a double undercut, a double lift... and the spec's are astonished... in their hands!

thanks Dan!

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I call your Dr. Daley and One-Eyed Jacks, and raise Steve Freeman's Time Machine. 
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Just curious, why less than 60 seconds?


Evil One,

I know this was not directed at me, but that's never stopped me.

Some time back, I gave a talk called "Show Us A Miracle Mr Magic" and tried to develop a short list of quick hitters for those moments. It's a tough list - at least to me. That's why tricks like One Eyed Jack Sandwich are gold. Any piece of crap deck - easy sleights - easy patter - clean at the end etc.

The needs for nobodies like me is very different from the name guys like Mike, Steven, Paul etc. They come into a situation with a rep. Guys like me deal with some dude with a bottle of beer and "Uh, so you're a magician, Huh?" Very different needs and the attention span taps at 60 seconds, if not before.

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       I have a feeling that the OP hasn't read my books, because - there must be literally hundreds, if not thousands, of card effects that can be done in 60 seconds or less. (My One-Eyed Jack Sandwich being one of them.)
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Evil One,

I know this was not directed at me, but that's never stopped me.

Some time back, I gave a talk called "Show Us A Miracle Mr Magic" and tried to develop a short list of quick hitters for those moments. It's a tough list - at least to me. That's why tricks like One Eyed Jack Sandwich are gold. Any piece of crap deck - easy sleights - easy patter - clean at the end etc.

The needs for nobodies like me is very different from the name guys like Mike, Steven, Paul etc. They come into a situation with a rep. Guys like me deal with some dude with a bottle of beer and "Uh, so you're a magician, Huh?" Very different needs and the attention span taps at 60 seconds, if not before.

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This is EXACTLY the scenario that many of us face all the time!

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       I have a feeling that the OP hasn't read my books, because - there must be literally hundreds, if not thousands, of card effects that can be done in 60 seconds or less. (My One-Eyed Jack Sandwich being one of them.)



Thank you Harry for jumping in here.

Yes... I do have some of your works!  Fantastic stuff!  The best!

Your material in many ways is exactly what I am talking about.  

Your One Eyed Jacks is pure gold.

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I call your Dr. Daley and One-Eyed Jacks, and raise Steve Freeman's Time Machine. 



Can you talk to us a little about the plot of Time Machine, Anthony?  I am not familiar.

Roy Walton's Backward into Time would certainly fit the bill here for a trick done in 60 seconds.  Another beauty!

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Okay, I was just wondering why.

The Reversed Card - Now You See It, Now You Don't by Bill Tarr. Can also be found in The Magic Book by Harry Lorayne as The Double Lift Reverse. Follow that with a cut (because that's what they do in Vegas) ask the name of their card then spread.

Force a Card.....
*Tell them what card they picked
*Take out a duplicate card that has prediction written on the back of it. You both turn face up onto the table at the same time

I'll have to look for the names and sources of some others I do... And see if they fall under a minute.
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The Flying Card

A spectator  lifts the outer corner of a deck and peeks at a card.

The performer springs the deck from one hand to the other.

The selected card flies out.

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Can you talk to us a little about the plot of Time Machine, Anthony?  I am not familiar.


It's a transposition. The Ace of Spades is sent back in time where it intersects with a second card, ending at the beginning with both cards in their original positions. Nice, tight attention grabber, and done in one. Minute, that is. Great DL/turnover practice! It also utilizes a cute, fairly easy little flourish, done twice, that gets way more attention than it deserves.  

The trick can be found in Volume Three of Card College, among other sources.

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I've been having lots of fun with Harry Lorayne's Spectator Cuts the Aces, that can be done in about a minute.

I have no idea on picking a card they all go over 60 seconds long.
 

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I like Roy Walton's smiling mule as a quick opener

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There are some find tricks, including the original, done with Bill Simons business card prophecy.
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The needs for nobodies like me is very different from the name guys like Mike, Steven, Paul etc. They come into a situation with a rep.

In front of a lay audience we all start out equal.

IMO what you do in the first 60 seconds is vital. The audience will decide if what you're doing is of interest to them in the first 60 seconds. When I worked at a comedy club called  FUBAR'S, I had something called The FUBARS Opener that I designed with that time frame in mind. It served it's purpose. My credentials were established in less than 60 seconds.

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I call your Dr. Daley and One-Eyed Jacks, and raise Steve Freeman's Time Machine. 

That's funny-- I just saw him do it on a video this morning. IMO, he did it just a bit two slow. But it's a great trick.

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In front of a lay audience we all start out equal.

IMO what you do in the first 60 seconds is vital. The audience will decide if what you're doing is of interest to them in the first 60 seconds. When I worked at a comedy club called  FUBAR'S, I had something called The FUBARS Opener that I designed with that time frame in mind. It served it's purpose. My credentials were established in less than 60 seconds.


Those are two helpful points there Steven.  We are all equals amongst those who do not know us.  Good to keep in mind.

Having a "go to" trick that can be done in less than a minute establishes the relationship.  I like that idea.  

Jay Sankey says he likes to spring the cards... that... this gives him credibility that he is more than Uncle Fred doing the 21 Card Trick.   I believe Jay also thinks the first 15 seconds are vital.  

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Quick as a Wink - "Self-Working Card Tricks" by Karl Fulves
May not look like much in reading, but it stuns the audiences.

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In front of a lay audience we all start out equal.
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Just don't buy that Steven - in  many situations. Some years ago Fonzie was teaching Richie how to deal with the bad guys. When the confrontation came it wasn't working and The Fonze says "Oops - I forgot you ain't got no rep."

Likewise, I can recall Bob Hope on Carson killing with really lame jokes and a delivery that was no longer sharp. He got belly laughs. Why? Reputation! You or I walk on with that material and we spend the rest of the evening cleaning tomatoes out of every orifice.

I'm not saying that one is necessarily better, but if we're at a party and you are introduced as one of the world's greatest sleight-of-hand artists and I'm introduced a some guy that does card tricks, the expectations are vastly different. The first minute is vitally important, but from very different perspective.

Nothing different on chat boards - a "name" says the sky is blue and everyone agrees and thank them for their insight and bringing it to their attention and on and on and on. I say it's blue and I get virtual lip. Happens constantly.

Just my view.
 

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Just don't buy that Steven - in  many situations. Some years ago Fonzie was teaching Richie how to deal with the bad guys. When the confrontation came it wasn't working and The Fonze says "Oops - I forgot you ain't got no rep."

Likewise, I can recall Bob Hope on Carson killing with really lame jokes and a delivery that was no longer sharp. He got belly laughs. Why? Reputation! You or I walk on with that material and we spend the rest of the evening cleaning tomatoes out of every orifice.

I'm not saying that one is necessarily better, but if we're at a party and you are introduced as one of the world's greatest sleight-of-hand artists and I'm introduced a some guy that does card tricks, the expectations are vastly different. The first minute is vitally important, but from very different perspective.

Nothing different on chat boards - a "name" says the sky is blue and everyone agrees and thank them for their insight and bringing it to their attention and on and on and on. I say it's blue and I get virtual lip. Happens constantly.

Just my view.
 



Point well taken Intensely Magic.

But I think the issue is more... what about the people who do NOT know Bob Hope ?(albeit that is a small crowd)... but if that is the case... then Bob is on the same playing field as Joe Schmoe card magician.   Of course Harry Lorayne is in a league of his own... but surely there are people in my city who honestly do not know Harry.  So in that case the score is even (at least at the start)  [smile]

Great post!  Thanks!  
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Quick as a Wink - "Self-Working Card Tricks" by Karl Fulves
May not look like much in reading, but it stuns the audiences.

HaLo Aces - Harry Lorayne


sounds good Dan.  Not familiar with that one.  Need to check out Karl's works.

Halo Aces is awesome.  I wish I was better with my HaLo cut!  
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"Proximity" by John Bannon is my 'go to' trick if someone hands me a deck of cards and it isn't the best deck. 
Or I'll do it with a good deck if the mood so dictates. 
It's just a killer effect. 
It's in Mentalissimo. 
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"Proximity" by John Bannon is my 'go to' trick if someone hands me a deck of cards and it isn't the best deck. 
Or I'll do it with a good deck if the mood so dictates. 
It's just a killer effect. 
It's in Mentalissimo. 


Evil One,

I've intended to thank you for pointing this trick out. I've actually been less than thrilled with a lot of Brannon's recent output, but he seemed to have gotten his mojo back with this book.

The work on the Simon move in Proximity is wonderful. It's amazing that this level of improvement could be made to a move as old and popular.

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I'm with the Evil One: Proximity rocks! There are several excellent routines in Mentalisimo, Proxy Shock and Rock the "Voque being a couple of my other faves. Not sure I can clock any of those, including Proximity, in under 60 seconds, but perhaps I am older and slower... 
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Thank you all for your helpful input.

I wanted to say too that I don't think there is anything magical about 60 seconds or even less.  My query has more to do with the attention span of the spectator.  And if they don't know me from Adam or Uncle Fred... like... who is this dude doing magic??  Then I feel I need to do something quick and surprising fast.  Then the whole mood changes.  I want them to know I like them and want them to have fun.  I don't want them to be so much impressed with Mr Magic...but that TOGETHER something fun and magical just took place.  To me a home run is not... wow... you are good... but ... whoa... what just happened?!!  

Lots of good ideas were shared in some great quick magical card effects!  Thanks!  

Love to hear more....


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Although cards are my "thing" I'm not sure they make the best opening. 

I've seen many fine performers open with a one coin flurry and, if well done, I think it's about perfect. Mine stinks so I don't do it.

If you are set up, a quick chop cup routine can be done in under a minute or 2 and you are off and running. Look for Jamie Grant's performance of the Loomis routine. What an opener.

Color changing knives

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There's a jillion. The point is there ore many impressive, fast non-card tricks that may make more sense than cards - depending on the situation.

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Just don't buy that Steven...

If a lay audience was show a picture of you and a picture of me and then asked which one is the better magician, what criteria would they use to answer the question? What facts would they have? The answer to both questions is none. How would they know anything at all about what either one of us can do with a deck of cards? How would they know anything at all about our reputations?

In front of a LAY AUDIENCE we all START OUT equal.

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Likewise, I can recall Bob Hope on Carson killing with really lame jokes and a delivery that was no longer sharp. He got belly laughs. Why? Reputation!

You might think that, but I have evidence to the contrary. I was a Cadet at West Point when Bob Hope held his "Birthday Party" show there. Before he even came on stage, they had the crowd go through different types of laughs which they taped. "Everyone give us a belly laugh... good. Now everyone just give us a chuckle...good." They panned through the audience each time. Bob Hope's jokes sucked. Totally sucked. When the show came on the air, the crowd laughing or chuckling was dubbed in with the appropriate shots. I was there. That happened.


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... but if we're at a party and you are introduced as one of the world's greatest sleight-of-hand artists and I'm introduced a some guy that does card tricks, the expectations are vastly different.

A lay audience wouldn't know anything about either one of us unless they were told. By making those contrasting introductions, you've essentially rigged the game.

In front of a LAY AUDIENCE we all START OUT equal.

Whether you buy it or not, it is true. By believing otherwise, you are crippling yourself.

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Although cards are my "thing" I'm not sure they make the best opening. 

I've seen many fine performers open with a one coin flurry and, if well done, I think it's about perfect. Mine stinks so I don't do it.

If you are set up, a quick chop cup routine can be done in under a minute or 2 and you are off and running. Look for Jamie Grant's performance of the Loomis routine. What an opener.

Color changing knives

C/S/B

Digital Dissolve (Slippery Sam)

There's a jillion. The point is there ore many impressive, fast non-card tricks that may make more sense than cards - depending on the situation.


Good Point... Cards are not always the best opener.  Often I might start with Holy Moly by Jay Sankey... a copper silver transpose ... but the holes move instead.  Really good "what the heck?!!" moment!  
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I'm going to divert the discussion a little bit - sorry - but this seems like a good moment to mention something David Regal talks about on his "David Regal in the UK" DVD set.  He describes the experience of watching Harry Lorayne perform, and seeing how Harry's audiences are riveted by the performance.  Regal watched Harry perform over and over, trying to discover the moment at which the audience became completely engaged.  He realized that the moment came before the cards even came out.

So maybe the first trick you do is not as important as how you connect to your audience before you start the magic.
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I'm going to divert the discussion a little bit - sorry - but this seems like a good moment to mention something David Regal talks about on his "David Regal in the UK" DVD set.  He describes the experience of watching Harry Lorayne perform, and seeing how Harry's audiences are riveted by the performance.  Regal watched Harry perform over and over, trying to discover the moment at which the audience became completely engaged.  He realized that the moment came before the cards even came out.

So maybe the first trick you do is not as important as how you connect to your audience before you start the magic.




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I'm going to divert the discussion a little bit...

Now you're on to what I think is a completely different subject and I think you may be making a mistake in thinking that it's either one or the other.

I believe that both are essential parts of a successful performance of magic. Many different types of performers can hold an audience riveted-- speakers, comedians, even some scientists. But that's not magic, that's a personal showcase. A boring person showing great tricks is a puzzle show, not a magic show.

As Ron Bauer says "If you're a magician, you must FOOL 'Em in order to ENTERTAIN 'EM."

In reference to the 60 seconds, it may be an arbitrary time, but in other areas of endeavor it's fairly well accepted. I think of it as the maximum time you have. And what you do in that 60 seconds both from the perspective of material and personality are equally important. Weaken one and you weaken the other. Strengthen one and you strengthen the other. Both set precedent for the rest of the show.


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The discussion around a 60 second time window of winning or losing an audience reminds me of elevator pitches in business.  Essentially, if you got into an elevator with someone and you only had the length of the elevator ride to "pitch" yourself, your company, your idea, etc. to them - what would you say and how would you say it to them.  That opportunity could either lead to other opportunities or simply end at the conclusion of the elevator ride. Kind of like first impressions.  Maybe it's similar in this case to magic, what you show and how you show it in the first 60 seconds will determine if you win or lose the audience.
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The discussion around a 60 second time window of winning or losing an audience reminds me of elevator pitches in business.

Excellent example. But you can GET OFF the elevator after the 60 seconds.
But a 20 minute set?!?!  [eek]

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