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 Frankenstein Deck? 54 different back designs
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Hello everyone.
I got this idea today and wanted to see what you think of it. 

Would anyone be interested in buying a deck that has one card from 54 different decks? (all 54 faces and 54 different back designs)
This might be a deck that can be used for a magic trick of some sort or just for a collector to have the back design of 54 different decks. What do you guys think? And if you think this is a good idea, how much would you be willing to pay for it. 

Your feedback is greatly appreciated. Thank you!

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Wasn't there already a deck like this ?



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Frank Garcia’s Rainbow Deck

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Yes Rainbow Deck with routines to do with it
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Evildan beat me to it. I posted my reply before I saw his😳
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The PRISM Deck by Joshua Jay is a rainbow deck and a marked deck (I guess in theory all rainbow decks are marked decks if you can remember all 52 back designs, but the system they used is very simple). Pretty diabolical stuff can be done with it.
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What I meant is taking one card from 54 different decks. This would be for collectors as well to see different back designs and different card stocks. It would be useful for magic as well.
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What I meant is taking one card from 54 different decks. This would be for collectors as well to see different back designs and different card stocks. It would be useful for magic as well.


It has been done.

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Someone on ebay is even selling a Franken-Deck. 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Franken-Deck-v5-Playing-Cards-54-Different-Cards-That-Make-A-Full-Deck-/123911138826

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I have decks similar to that shown above, created from 52 Bicycle decks which have white borders and with standard faces. You really need white borders to make the deck look normal for use as a Rainbow deck. I'll post a photo of the decks I have later.

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This is my favorite. Not really different decks but a beautiful look.
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I was sure I'd seen a deck like the one described before, and it has just came to me where - Lennart Greens Stolen Cards.



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Stolen Cards were different backs - but all the same card (suit and value).
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Notice how Lennart handles the deck in the beginning.  First of all it is in a premium leather case, just the place you'd put a very valuable or sentimentally valuable deck.  He does his best acting in order to help you believe the story.  He doesn't treat this as a "throw away".  In fact, he is nearly a minute into the routine and still hasn't actually shown the cards.  Hopefully all the while folks are getting more and more curious about these "stolen" cards.  
It is the little things that add impact sometimes.
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Stolen Cards were different backs - but all the same card (suit and value).




So it was. For the life of me I can't remember where I saw a deck like the one discussed.


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It's odd that Lennart would choose to show the face of a card, saying he thinks "that one is the ace of clubs". That line is incongruent with the finale of the piece.



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It's odd that Lennart would choose to show the face of a card, saying he thinks "that one is the ace of clubs". That line is incongruent with the finale of the piece.



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I wonder if non-magicians would see it the same.  I noticed that as well as him claiming another one was JS and another one 4D, etc.  Of course he doesn't show their faces, just acting.

I think by the time he's finished, the average layperson has forgotten about the AS in the beginning.
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What I mean is, as far as his presentation goes, the deck is all ace of spades apart from two cards (the two the spectator "finds"), right from the start. So if the deck is all ace of spades, why would he even mention different cards, when he would know (going by the presentation), that the deck is all the same value.

The line(s) would only work, if all the aces of spades at the end, was a transformation.
But that's not how he presents it.



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Playingcarddecks.com has what i think you are suggesting.

https://playingcarddecks.com/products/franken-deck-v1-playing-cards
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What I mean is, as far as his presentation goes, the deck is all ace of spades apart from two cards (the two the spectator "finds"), right from the start. So if the deck is all ace of spades, why would he even mention different cards, when he would know (going by the presentation), that the deck is all the same value.

The line(s) would only work, if all the aces of spades at the end, was a transformation.
But that's not how he presents it.



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I know exactly what you are saying but I'll bet a typical layperson never thinks of that.  Try it out and play the video for someone and ask.  

As you know there are oftentimes blatant discrepancies that fly by people.  We notice, because of our intimacy with the subject matter.
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Oh, I have no doubt that most audiences wouldn't notice. I just prefer things to make sense. In the clip, Lennart tells us that certain backs belong to certain cards, implying the faces are regular. Then at the end he tells us that all the cards he "stole" were the ace of spades - to a thinking spectator, it doesn't make sense.

There is a common Mentalism ploy, which always annoys me when I see it. The Mentalist reads someones mind, getting a card or piece of information. The process takes a few minutes as the "information" is "received" piecemeal.
Then after the revelation, the Mentalist shows an envelope (or whatever), that's laying on the table, and when opened, the spectators card or thought has been predicted - implying that the Mentalist knew what the spectator would be thinking, in advance

Now my apologies if any of our members use this type of strategy - but it makes absolutely no sense.
If you knew in advance, and even had everything written down as a prediction - then all the mind reading part is clearly nonsense - according to your prediction and presentation, you ALREADY KNOW the outcome.



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Oh, I have no doubt that most audiences wouldn't notice. I just prefer things to make sense. In the clip, Lennart tells us that certain backs belong to certain cards, implying the faces are regular. Then at the end he tells us that all the cards he "stole" were the ace of spades - to a thinking spectator, it doesn't make sense.

There is a common Mentalism ploy, which always annoys me when I see it. The Mentalist reads someones mind, getting a card or piece of information. The process takes a few minutes as the "information" is "received" piecemeal.
Then after the revelation, the Mentalist shows an envelope (or whatever), that's laying on the table, and when opened, the spectators card or thought has been predicted - implying that the Mentalist knew what the spectator would be thinking, in advance

Now my apologies if any of our members use this type of strategy - but it makes absolutely no sense.
If you knew in advance, and even had everything written down as a prediction - then all the mind reading part is clearly nonsense - according to your prediction and presentation, you ALREADY KNOW the outcome.



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I'll bet if interviewed a percentage of laypeople will say that he showed us the Jack of Spades and the 4 of Diamonds.  Of course he didn't, merely looking at the backs and reading the "marks".  I get where you are coming from, wanting things to make sense, to have a coherent plot, but sometimes a trick just doesn't have that yet it kills.
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I get where you are coming from, wanting things to make sense, to have a coherent plot, but sometimes a trick just doesn't have that yet it kills.



True, but in this case Lennart is actually adding in the discrepancy himself. The piece would make more sense if he just concentrated on the backs, without mentioning the faces at all.


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True, but in this case Lennart is actually adding in the discrepancy himself. The piece would make more sense if he just concentrated on the backs, without mentioning the faces at all.


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Notice he also says all the cards are marked.  Are we to believe that he has cards stolen from casinos and they are marked?  He also indicates that some of the cards were stolen from "private games", so no issue with them possibly being marked.  But well known casinos?  I don't think so.

So that doesn't add up either.  
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Oh, I have no doubt that most audiences wouldn't notice. I just prefer things to make sense. In the clip, Lennart tells us that certain backs belong to certain cards, implying the faces are regular. Then at the end he tells us that all the cards he "stole" were the ace of spades - to a thinking spectator, it doesn't make sense.

There is a common Mentalism ploy, which always annoys me when I see it. The Mentalist reads someones mind, getting a card or piece of information. The process takes a few minutes as the "information" is "received" piecemeal.
Then after the revelation, the Mentalist shows an envelope (or whatever), that's laying on the table, and when opened, the spectators card or thought has been predicted - implying that the Mentalist knew what the spectator would be thinking, in advance

Now my apologies if any of our members use this type of strategy - but it makes absolutely no sense.
If you knew in advance, and even had everything written down as a prediction - then all the mind reading part is clearly nonsense - according to your prediction and presentation, you ALREADY KNOW the outcome.



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All in the name of drama. I watched one of those people’s court shows once and the litigants had a very dramatic emotional conflict laden story. And the judge got them to tell it all. Very entertaining. Then she said well sorry the statute of limitations is up.

That case shouldn’t even have been heard let alone dragged out. But she got the human drama out it, which is what the viewers want.

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Indeed Stanley, drama. But there is good drama and bad drama.

In a piece of magic, we should be creating the illusion of some sort of magical effect. Anything that detracts or destroys that illusion, should be taken out.

In my example above, the mind reading should be perfectly adequate - adding the prediction destroys the illusion of the mind reading.
Or the mind reading part could be cut, and it could be presented as a straight prediction.

But in the scenario I mention above, both don't work together - if you already know the card or thought, as evidenced by your prediction, then the mind reading is totally pointless. When the prediction is added, it diminishes the integrity of the piece.



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Someone on ebay is even selling a Franken-Deck. 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Franken-Deck-v5-Playing-Cards-54-Different-Cards-That-Make-A-Full-Deck-/123911138826

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Playingcarddecks.com has what i think you are suggesting.

https://playingcarddecks.com/products/franken-deck-v1-playing-cards

This is actually exactly the same source.  PlayingCardDecks regularly has them in stock (either on their eBay store or their retail site).  I've bought a few of them from them, and they are great.

As mentioned already by someone else, these are different than Lennart Green's Stolen Cards deck.  That deck has 52 different backs, but the faces of all the cards (except a couple) have identical suits/values.

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