Sign up Latest Topics Chat
 
 
 


Reply
  Author   Comment  
Unfinished Sentenc

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 135
Reply with quote  #1 
What I mean about this is a full deck stack that could only accomplish one trick. So, full deck stacks like Si Stebbins, Memorized deck, red/black stack are not included in my question. Besides, those stacks can be set easily impromptu (in the case of Si Stebbins and Mnemonica, from New Deck Order).

Most of the time, when I see a trick that needs a full deck stack, I would not bother with it since it's not worth the effort to set an entire deck, bring it with me and do a deck switch later just to perform one trick. The only trick that I know that is worth the hassle is "JC's Sper Closer". Even then, I rarely perform it due to the required extensive set up. 

Incidentally, I recently learned of a great way to set a borrowed and shuffled deck to JC's Super Closer. So, now, I don't see myself bringing with me a deck preset to Super Closer order anytime soon.

Back to the topic of the post, can you name any other full stack tricks that are worth it?
0
Chi Han

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,047
Reply with quote  #2 
I'm pretty satisfied with Sam the Bellhop. The reactions I get and the impact it has are well worth the stack. That said, I don't find myself doing it much nowadays. It's a long piece, and if I only want to carry one deck that means I have to preserve the stack. If I were a professional that would be fine, but I like fiddling and practicing throughout the day. But with the right audience and atmosphere it's fantastic (also my most memorable and requested trick among my friends!).
0
Unfinished Sentenc

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 135
Reply with quote  #3 
Oh, I forgot about story decks tricks. If performed correctly, they could be pretty entertaining. Unfortunately, story decks are not for me so I don't perform them.

 

0
mark lewis

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,168
Reply with quote  #4 
Out of This World would be hard to beat. Some regard it as the greatest card trick of all time.
0
Unfinished Sentenc

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 135
Reply with quote  #5 
Yes, OOTW is great. The only reason I didn't include it in my example is that it's pretty easy for me to set a shuffled deck to the OOTW setup.
0
Unfinished Sentenc

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 135
Reply with quote  #6 
Memory Opener from Sal Piacente's Expert Card Magic Lecture Notes is pretty nice though I rarely perform it...
0
Mike Powers

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,835
Reply with quote  #7 
In a formal show a deck switch via pocket etc to a set up deck is worthwhile. If I'm doing one performance, why not. Also some set ups are not just for one trick but a series of routined effects that all have small setups that can be prearranged. Again, this would be for a formal show since I'd have to reset between tables.

I used to have four decks set up for a series of effects I did in a strolling setting. I'd reset all four after they'd been used. They weren't full deck stacks but something that took a minute to reset. I don't do that any longer. Seems like a bad idea. There are plenty of "A" material tricks that don't require a setup.

Mike


0
Paul Hallas

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,172
Reply with quote  #8 
I'm sure you can find plenty in the writings of Stewart James. If you're only doing one performance rather than table hopping I find no problem with such routines, because once the stack is destroyed you can immediately move to impromptu card stuff anyway.

Two none James items that immediately spring to mind are Peter Duffie's "Divisory Capacity" from his book "Duffie's Card Compultions" and Tamariz's "Neither Blind Nor Stupid", both of which I've used in the past. Having mentioned those two, I should also mention that Harry Lorayne has an impromptu version of the latter in "Jawdroppers", see "Blown Further Away" p.95.
0
Tom G

Inner Circle - Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 995
Reply with quote  #9 
I like Up the Ante (shortened version). 
0
Mind Phantom

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,243
Reply with quote  #10 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unfinished Sentenc
Memory Opener from Sal Piacente's Expert Card Magic Lecture Notes is pretty nice though I rarely perform it...


People really believe you are memorizing the deck with Sal's routine. It's impressive. For now, I open with Martin Nash's The Slug from his Charming Cheat vhs tape just because it let's me talk about crooked gambling things.

Harry's Magician vs Gambler is also a good opener.
0
MatthewOlsen

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 141
Reply with quote  #11 
I like Sam the Bellhop.  I do it at the end of a card set and allow a spectator to shuffle the deck before I go into the routine (deck switch of course) I also have myself blindfolded.  I do a peak to make sure my false shuffles are alright but one time a spectator tied the blindfold so tight I genuinely could not see and ended up doing the routine completely blind.  Worked really well and I got waves of applause that time.  I guess my blind acting wasn't quite as convincing as my genuine blindness.

I also like Michael Close's Invisible deck with an ordinary deck.  Using a memorized deck makes it go really quickly and effectively.  Plus being able to have the spectator spread the deck and find their card and even be able to take the deck home is fantastic.
0
Doug Trouten

Member
Registered:
Posts: 9
Reply with quote  #12 
Tom G mentioned "Up the Ante." I agree completely, but it should be noted that this effect can be presented with many cyclical stacks, including Si Stebbins.
0
Medifro

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 144
Reply with quote  #13 
Just keep in mind there're lots of stacks you can arrive at from a NDO such a stay stack ( right from Mneumonica ) or a stack where you got As,2s,3s,4s .. etc in sequence. 

Max Maven's Abacus from Apocalypse is a full stacked deck trick that I'd like to do as cleanly from a shuffled deck. Its amazing when done to laymen. 
0
pnielan

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 118
Reply with quote  #14 
The Dai Vernon Poker Deal seems worth it to me. (However, I more often perform impromptu versions like Harry's Poker Deal #1 or some of the many excellent Gardner-Marlo variations out there by Aronson and Bannon and others. ) But I keep a DV deck in my pocket or drawer and wait for a chance to convincingly ring it in. If it comes, I take it.  I think Mike Skinner actually built one of his memorized decks around this trick.


0
pnielan

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 118
Reply with quote  #15 
Marlo's Matching Stay Stack routine also seems worth it; there are many ways to get into it. 
0
Rudy Tinoco

Avatar / Picture

Founding Member
Registered:
Posts: 4,361
Reply with quote  #16 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug Trouten
Tom G mentioned "Up the Ante." I agree completely, but it should be noted that this effect can be presented with many cyclical stacks, including Si Stebbins.


Hi Doug, I was recently given "Up the Ante" by my Martyn Smyth and my friend Tom. I finally set aside time to learn it and it's incredible!

I don't usually do magic that requires so much table space, but this is one of those effects that is worth it [smile]

Rudy

__________________
www.youtube.com/themagiciansforum
http://www.facebook.com/themagiciansforum
0
Ronnie

Member
Registered:
Posts: 31
Reply with quote  #17 
Most of the tricks with a stack are worth it but it really is an inconvenience. Still, I suppose the best way around the inconvenience is to routine a sequence of tricks that uses the same stack. At least  you get more than one trick out of it.
0
magicfish

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 1,373
Reply with quote  #18 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronnie
Most of the tricks with a stack are worth it but it really is an inconvenience. Still, I suppose the best way around the inconvenience is to routine a sequence of tricks that uses the same stack. At least  you get more than one trick out of it.

Or do a deck switch.
James Swain has a diabolical effect in Don't Blink
that is absolutely worth the stack!
0
Magic-Aly

Avatar / Picture

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 614
Reply with quote  #19 
Definitely Sam the Bellhop (especially if your name is Bill Malone).  I had never thought of doing the routine where the spectator (thinks he) shuffles the deck that is being used.  Must be a very deceptive deck switch that Matthew does in order to accomplish those apparently impossible conditions. After each phase I make sure to place the cards just dealt face up on top of those formerly dealt; that way, you are reset.  It is worth dedicating an extra deck to the routine because it is invariably a real crowd pleaser.

Certainly OOTW is worth it, but I have a way of separating the reds from blacks during the course of the trick I perform just prior, so in that sense, it is impromptu, although the whole deck is set.
0
luigimar

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member - Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 1,136
Reply with quote  #20 
Two ways to separate the reds from the blacks in a shuffled deck:

Separagon by Woody Aragon or

1, 2 Separation by Lennart Green.

Then if you need to have a red black setup, just one faro shuffle gets you there.

__________________
Luigimar
Magic is Within...
0
Rudy Tinoco

Avatar / Picture

Founding Member
Registered:
Posts: 4,361
Reply with quote  #21 
Quote:
Originally Posted by luigimar
Two ways to separate the reds from the blacks in a shuffled deck:

Separagon by Woody Aragon or

1, 2 Separation by Lennart Green.

Then if you need to have a red black setup, just one faro shuffle gets you there.


Harrys "Great Divide" is also a wonderful way to separate reds from blacks.

You can find it in his Classic Collection volume 3. Here's the link to where you can buy it: http://www.harryloraynemagic.com/store/p103/Lorayne%3A_The_Classic_Collection%2C_Volume_3_.html


__________________
www.youtube.com/themagiciansforum
http://www.facebook.com/themagiciansforum
0
magicfish

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 1,373
Reply with quote  #22 
Another vote for Harry Lorayne's The Great Divide.
0
Magic-Aly

Avatar / Picture

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 614
Reply with quote  #23 
Actually, there is a third way to separate the reds from the blacks from a shuffled deck, because I believe that I came up with (or independently created?) one.  And, as I noted in my prior post, the separation is done during the course of the trick I perform immediately before going into OOTW. The trick right before OOTW (during which the red/black separation occurs unbeknownst to the spectators) is also very strong in its own right.

In the event anyone is interested enough in learning the methodology I use, feel free to PM me.  I might not get back to you immediately because I am on a road trip right now, but I will eventually...
0
Paul Hallas

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,172
Reply with quote  #24 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magic-Aly
Actually, there is a third way to separate the reds from the blacks from a shuffled deck, because I believe that I came up with (or independently created?) one.  And, as I noted in my prior post, the separation is done during the course of the trick I perform immediately before going into OOTW. The trick right before OOTW (during which the red/black separation occurs unbeknownst to the spectators) is also very strong in its own right.

In the event anyone is interested enough in learning the methodology I use, feel free to PM me.  I might not get back to you immediately because I am on a road trip right now, but I will eventually...


Were you doing Tamariz's "Neither Blind Nor Stupid" first? I used to do that before going into a Peter Duffie routine that required a colour seperated deck.  
0
Harry Lorayne

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 2,194
Reply with quote  #25 
     I believe Tamariz's Blown Away first appeared in APOCALYPSE - a looooong time ago. If you like it - and if you don't check out my Blown Further Away, you sure will be missing out.
0
Bulla

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 202
Reply with quote  #26 
I just recently came across Conning Caveney a.k.a. Another Shuffle Stack by Jason England in The Unreal Session Episode 1.  If you like gambling routines this is an amazing stacking effect that really looks like you stack the aces from random positions in the deck for a 7 handed game of poker.  It's fairly simple to do as it only requires a single Zarrow shuffle.  Jason does have a follow up effect to it where you immediately stack the four kings for an 8 handed game which just uses a faro shuffle.  It's technically a full deck stack but you're only stacking 8 cards, the aces and kings, so the setup can be done pretty quickly.
0
Harry Lorayne

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 2,194
Reply with quote  #27 
   Bulla: Nothing wrong with those you mention. You might also want to check out some of my gambling demos over the years (decades) where you don't need set-ups, Zarrow or faro shuffles, etc.
0
Gerald Deutsch

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 314
Reply with quote  #28 

I agree that Out Of This World would be hard to beat as Mark Lewis points out above. As a matter of fact it was voted the best card trick in a Hugards Magic Monthly poll many years ago.

Of course Out of This World requires a set up and I like to do the set up in the course of a previous trick and the trick I use is based on “Now You See It” from “The Royal Road to Card Magic” with some variations which I described on the Perverse Magic thread of the Genii Forum on March 1, 2006.

0
Harry Lorayne

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 2,194
Reply with quote  #29 
       When I first published my Out Of This Universe (1962), which requires a red/black full-deck separation, I taught how I set the shuffled deck during a preceding effect. That's how I always do it.
0
Previous Topic | Next Topic
Print
Reply

Quick Navigation:

Easily create a Forum Website with Website Toolbox.