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larrylime

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Hi guys,

Are there any books or downloads out on the market that provide a method or trick to get stack order from a shuffled pack? 

I like using Juan's Memory Jumble to get into the half stack, but I am not a huge fan of the methods he describes to set up the remainder of the deck. I also rarely find myself with a deck in new deck order, so while setting up from NDO is easy, It's not exactly practical for me.

I heard of Patrick Redford's method for getting into his stack using Bro. John Hamman's Chinese shuffle, but from my understanding, that doesn't exactly work the same for Mnemonica because Patrick's deck contains specific properties that allow for it to be set up quickly.

Thanks in advance!

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Bob Farmer’s Tarodiction, however you can’t do it with a borrowed deck.
The way I informally do it (and no way this is original) is to call the cards out as a memory stunt, seemingly
without repeating them, which gets good reactions.
You can pluck cards from a fan quickly into NDO. There’re competitions for this in Japan’s magic clubs and it’s fun to watch. Saw it on a Shoot Ogawa DVD.
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Originally Posted by larrylime

Hi guys,

Are there any books or downloads out on the market that provide a method or trick to get stack order from a shuffled pack? 

I like using Juan's Memory Jumble to get into the half stack, but I am not a huge fan of the methods he describes to set up the remainder of the deck. I also rarely find myself with a deck in new deck order, so while setting up from NDO is easy, It's not exactly practical for me.

I heard of Patrick Redford's method for getting into his stack using Bro. John Hamman's Chinese shuffle, but from my understanding, that doesn't exactly work the same for Mnemonica because Patrick's deck contains specific properties that allow for it to be set up quickly.

Thanks in advance!



Larry, if you are aware of conjuringarchive.com you can sometimes find a lot of good resources that way.  Denis Behr, who appreciates contributions by the way, has put together an awesome resource with this site.

The thing I find it very valuable for is the stuff you find out about "accidentally" when you are looking for the item you wanted to locate.

For example, I put in the search term 'New Deck Order' and some of the items I found caused me to sit up and take notice.  Denis puts some "Cliff Notes" of the effects sometimes and some of the things I read really got my brain churning.

I'm sure you could search for related stuff pertaining to many different stacks.  You can search by author too, so if you want to look up Woody Aragon you can do that.

Just a suggestion.  Some of the best information is stuff you stumble upon.
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Larrylime,
in 2004 I came up with a "little" idea to get the a stack order from a borrowed deck by means of a trick.
I called it "Pick 51 cards..."
I tried it for the first time on 6th December of 2004 successfully.
Since then I have been performing it time to time for my family members and friends.
The idea is as follow:
You get a borrowed deck and ask someone to pick 51 cards...
Everybody will be disconcerted but the spectator will smile and take all the deck but one card which is kept by you.
Next, you say that you are going to try to divine all the spectator's cards, whereas the spectator would have to try to divine the magician's card.
Then, you name the first 10 Mnemonica order cards as the spectator takes and stacks them up on the table, face up.
At this point, the spectator tries to divine your card... Fail.
You repeat the same with other 10 cards.
Then, the spectator tries again... Fail.
And so on, until you get the stack.
The spectator may complain that he/she couldn't follow the missing card because of being named randomly by you. So there you explain that you did so precisely to not let him/her to get to divine our card!
You add that you can do it because of so many years playing with a deck of cards.
As you talk to the spectator you false-shuffle the deck, so that, strengthening the idea that it's a totally mixed up deck, and removing all doubts.
Finally, you ask the spectator to try to divine for the last time your card.
Let's consider he/she says 3 of Heart. You cut the deck near it and glimpse the cut card.
If it is not the named card you say:
"This is not your card because maybe you hit!" So, you take advantage to control the 3 of Heart to the top.
Next, you take your card and put it on top of the deck... DL and voilà! The spectator guessed the card!

So, you have your stack by a mysterious and funny mentalism trick.

The fist time I did it I finished the show with the effect "Everything in Order".
You can imagine... I "killed" them all!
It was a memorable and unforgetable afternoon!




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Larrylime,
in 2004 I came up with a "little" idea to get the a stack order from a borrowed deck by means of a trick.
I called it "Pick 51 cards..."
I tried it for the first time on 6th December of 2004 successfully.
Since then I have been performing it time to time for my family members and friends.
The idea is as follow:
You get a borrowed deck and ask someone to pick 51 cards...
Everybody will be disconcerted but the spectator will smile and take all the deck but one card which is kept by you.
Next, you say that you are going to try to divine all the spectator's cards, whereas the spectator would have to try to divine the magician's card.
Then, you name the first 10 Mnemonica order cards as the spectator takes and stacks them up on the table, face up.
At this point, the spectator tries to divine your card... Fail.
You repeat the same with other 10 cards.
Then, the spectator tries again... Fail.
And so on, until you get the stack.
The spectator may complain that he/she couldn't follow the missing card because of being named randomly by you. So there you explain that you did so precisely to not let him/her to get to divine our card!
You add that you can do it because of so many years playing with a deck of cards.
As you talk to the spectator you false-shuffle the deck, so that, strengthening the idea that it's a totally mixed up deck, and removing all doubts.
Finally, you ask the spectator to try to divine for the last time your card.
Let's consider he/she says 3 of Heart. You cut the deck near it and glimpse the cut card.
If it is not the named card you say:
"This is not your card because maybe you hit!" So, you take advantage to control the 3 of Heart to the top.
Next, you take your card and put it on top of the deck... DL and voilà! The spectator guessed the card!

So, you have your stack by a mysterious and funny mentalism trick.

The fist time I did it I finished the show with the effect "Everything in Order".
You can imagine... I "killed" them all!
It was a memorable and unforgetable afternoon!





Wow, that's a very creative and cool one. Using something along the lines of your trick to set up half the deck also seems useful. Thanks for the input!
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