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Rudy Tinoco

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One of the reasons that I memorized the Tamariz stack was the feature of being able to faro shuffle into Mnemonica and then back into new deck order again.

I'm not a huge fan of the trick that Juan uses (the dealing of two piles to locate their selection) to get yourself positioned to work your way into NDO.

Has anyone figured out another way of getting to that same point with some sort of shuffle or procedure?

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         I don't use memorized decks so not sure of the routine mentioned, but - if you're interested in an impromptu, really-incredible way to locate two freely-selected cards, look up BLOWN FURTHER AWAY. Best - HL.
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Thanks Harry, I don't have "Jaw Droppers" with me right now, but do you have an updated version of "Blown Further Away" in there?

Otherwise, I pull out my copy of Apocalypse and check it out when I get home.

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      The Blown Away effect in JAW DROPPERS! is basically the same as what I originally published in APOCALYPSE - the difference is that I teach how to do it "impromptuly." No pre-setting necessary. That's what's important to me. I also added a touch or two.
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I missed Blown Away in Apocalypse (I hate to think how much great magic I have overlooked), but I did learn Neither Blind Nor Silly from Sonata way back when. It's something I still use, but I DO love the impromptu Blown Further Away from Jaw Droppers! That will become my go-to version since I mostly perform impromptu and I have noticed that if I do, say, TGD, then the specs already have the red/black separation in their brains - a bit of a tell, even when faroed away. So my usual has been a slop shuffle separation and a faro, but that really only works, say, at a bar where people aren't paying attention to what's going on between the magic. This version of Blown Further Away is great!

As for the Tamariz stack and NDO, yes, I learned it just because it is so easy to get into from NDO. And I have become fairly adept at putting a deck in NDO in the hands by brute force before starting some magic, if I want, but it's nothing special. For me, going back and forth between Tamariz stack and NDO would have to be a part of a tightly routined act, like Darwin does (not that he has anything to do with the Tamariz stack), and which I don't do, and it feels to me like somehow, the juice just isn't worth the squeeze. So, I guess the short answer from me is, no, I haven't thought of a better way to work back into NDO from the stack.  [frown]
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Thanks for your input, Oscarf! "The juice isn't worth the squeeze". At this point, that's true for me, too.

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I recently met Asi Wind at a convention and he showed me a way to get from mnumonica to stay stack without the tamariz trick. I believe this is the first step to getting into NDO. I would post it but I'm not sure if its something he wants out yet. If you get a chance ask him.
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I recently met Asi Wind at a convention and he showed me a way to get from mnumonica to stay stack without the tamariz trick. I believe this is the first step to getting into NDO. I would post it but I'm not sure if its something he wants out yet. If you get a chance ask him.


Hi Jim, Welcome to the Magician's Forum!

Man, I'd love to see what Asi has come up with. I just called him and left a voicemail to see if this is something that he plans to release to the magic community.

I appreciate you mentioning this.

Rudy

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One of the reasons that I memorized the Tamariz stack was the feature of being able to faro shuffle into Mnemonica and then back into new deck order again.

I'm not a huge fan of the trick that Juan uses (the dealing of two piles to locate their selection) to get yourself positioned to work your way into NDO.

Has anyone figured out another way of getting to that same point with some sort of shuffle or procedure?


There is: "A Subtle Game" in Encyclopedia of Card Tricks, Hugard, for arrangement. In this treatise it is to set up the Nicola System and it works for any stack.






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Hi Jim, Welcome to the Magician's Forum!

Man, I'd love to see what Asi has come up with. I just called him and left a voicemail to see if this is something that he plans to release to the magic community.

I appreciate you mentioning this.

Rudy


Cool [smile] Did you get an answer?

Thanks!

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Cool [smile] Did you get an answer?

Thanks!


Unfortunately, no.

I'm sure he's a busy man.

Maybe one day he'll join the forum and I can ask him then!

Rudy

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I just happened to stumble across this video.  It's a bit technical since you'll have to do some false deals but I like gambling demos and thought that it was an interesting way to get back into NDO.

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I just happened to stumble across this video.  It's a bit technical since you'll have to do some false deals but I like gambling demos and thought that it was an interesting way to get back into NDO.



This is awesome. [smile]
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I just happened to stumble across this video.  It's a bit technical since you'll have to do some false deals but I like gambling demos and thought that it was an interesting way to get back into NDO.



Man, that's really smart. Quite a bit of dealing, but his patter justifies it to a certain degree.

Thanks for sharing this with us.

Rudy

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There is also a way to go from NDO to Aronson stack and from Aronson stack to NDO...

But it is not as "easy" as the method for Mnemonica...

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Not sure if it helps in this specific instance, but I've found that I can build stacks or separations in the process of culling cards for other effects.  Perhaps you could do the dealing in "chunks" so that it isn't quite so laborious.  
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There is also a way to go from NDO to Aronson stack and from Aronson stack to NDO...

But it is not as "easy" as the method for Mnemonica...


Are you talking about the method created by Eric Richardson?

From several reviews that I have read about it, it seems that you have to do a "boring trick" (stated by the reviewers) first to do that and therefore, not worth it. Is that actually true? (Assuming that you are familiar with Richardson's method)

I know both Mnemonica and AS, but I use Mnemonica more often since I can easily set it from NDO, and I can also do stay stack tricks with it. So, I would be interested to learn a method for setting AS from NDO. 
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Are you talking about the method created by Eric Richardson?

From several reviews that I have read about it, it seems that you have to do a "boring trick" (stated by the reviewers) first to do that and therefore, not worth it. Is that actually true? (Assuming that you are familiar with Richardson's method)

I know both Mnemonica and AS, but I use Mnemonica more often since I can easily set it from NDO, and I can also do stay stack tricks with it. So, I would be interested to learn a method for setting AS from NDO. 


Yes, that is the one I am talking about... in his e-book "TOUR". I have the book and the videos that come with it, but I don't perform any effects yet. As I said on another thread, I still haven't memorized any stack.

I also do some stay stack effects from Walton, Marlo, etc.



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