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JenniferG

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Really enjoying learning all these card tricks. 

In the past week I learned the double & triple lift, along with overhand shuffle card control.

Also learned how to pull two cards from deck instantly with one swift hand motion (the top and bottom cards).  So I made up a trick where I have two different people pick a card from deck then have them each place the card back into the deck in mid overhand shuffle.  Controlled each of their cards with in jog and worked the first participants card to the bottom and preserving that moved the 2nd participant card to top of deck.  I then do a double lift and say this was the first participant's card and they so "uh oh it wasn't".  And I say wow such and error .. let me make up for that by drawing both of your cards out of the deck at the same time, in an instant.. then flick my wrist and pull both cards out.  Pretty fun.

Also learned the snap change and wave change. 

I don't think I'll ever be really that good because it seems like a lot of these slights require much dexterity.  But I'll have fun trying at least!

Just ordered the 3 card monty gaff card set with card wallet for $6 off amazon (a club and 2 club gaffed with swapped pips).   I really ordered it for the card wallet as I need something to put more gaff cards in.  Learning how to split bicycle cards and gluing them together with rubber cement.  Already made red/blue back gaff card along with double face card.


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Hi Jennifer

Welcome to The Magician's Forum.  I can only say ... Wow!  I wish I had your energy.  You will find lots of friendly people here who can help you develop your magical skills.
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Welcome, Jennifer. Snap Change?! I can only pull off a decent Erdnase Color Change with daily practice. Miss a day or two, and I'm toast! As Robin noted, you will find lots of folks hear both eager and qualified to help. Robin's one of them. but he's too humble to say so. And if you love card tricks, Harry Lorayne hangs out here - he's written beaux-coup books on card magic. We also have several other pros and pro-level magicians who regularly visit - I'll let you meet them as you get more involved. Jump right in and make yourself at home!

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Welcome aboard Jennifer!
This is the best magic place on the web. You'll learn so much just hanging out with the members. We are welcoming, encouraging and exceedingly clever!
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I don't think I'll ever be really that good because it seems like a lot of these slights require much dexterity.  But I'll have fun trying at least!



Hi, Jennifer!

Sometimes magic can feel like pushing rope up a hill, I can understand the frustration. But with some diligent practice (maybe perhaps a few curse words) it will get less difficult and then eventually it will become effortless. Then? On to another magical endeavor that will challenge you. That's the fun of it!

For the past few days I've been practicing the 'D'Amico One Hand Second Deal' taught by Ed Marlo in his book "Revolutionary Card Technique" and boy do I suck at it, BUT....but, I suck less at it today than I did three days ago. Progress, not perfection (yet).

That is the main thing "Have fun." Practice should be a joy, not a hindrance. Not to imply that it cannot be aggravating at times because it's anyone's guess when I was learning the One Handed Revolution Cut how many times I cursed Brian Tudor for inventing such a thing. LOL!

You'll become better than you think, hang in there Jennifer and welcome to TMF!

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Awesome start, and welcome!

In my big box-o-magic-stuff [btw -- get yourself a box, you'll need it 😉] I have a deck of red/blue double backers and a deck of red/red and a deck of blue/blue so I can just grab one -- but arts and crafts seem to be the way of life for some of us when we can't find what we need.

As for plastic card holders, I saw them for I think $1.75 when I was cruising around MidwestMagic.net over the weekend.

You'll like color Monte -- I think there's a thread on that here, or it's buried in another.

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Thanks a bunch!  I look forward to getting to know other magicians here. Exciting!

Btw, can anyone recommend a really good bicycle gaff deck?  I find $30-45 quite a bit of money for 52-56 cards.  Wish there was a gaff card set with like 200-300 cards for that price.   I bought 12 decks of bicycle cards from amazon for $15.75.  Used to paying just over $1 per deck of cards not $45!
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Thanks a bunch!  Can anyone recommend a really good bicycle gaff deck? ... 


I saw some Gaff decks at MidwestMagic also, but I can't remember the pricing -- you can sometimes find them on eBay. You'll find they're not all the same, you'll end up not using some of them, but you will others. Of the decks I bought early on, I used all the double backers and blank backs/faces/double blanks to the point that I needed to buy decks of all those and get it over with.

Some of the gaff decks come with instructions for using some of the gaffs, some don't … I think price may vary depending upon that as well

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Welcome, Jennifer. Snap Change?! 
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Thanks a bunch!  I look forward to getting to know other magicians here. Exciting!

Btw, can anyone recommend a really good bicycle gaff deck?  I find $30-45 quite a bit of money for 52-56 cards.  Wish there was a gaff card set with like 200-300 cards for that price.   I bought 12 decks of bicycle cards from amazon for $15.75.  Used to paying just over $1 per deck of cards not $45!


Here in Sweden they do not sell Bicycle cards, you can find only very poor quality "Öberg" brand of Playing Cards (Spelkort = PlayingCards in Swedish) so I have to order them from amazon.co.uk for $30 USD for a box of 12, plus shipping!

I've contacted United States Playing Card Company International Sales about the issue and they were of little help.

I would be delighted to buy 12 decks for $15 bucks, consider yourself lucky!

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12 decks for $15.95 :


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001AMO8A0

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12 decks for $15.95 :


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001AMO8A0



Yes, thank for the link but when you include Swedish VAT Tax + Shipping it isn't so cheap and the better option is ordering from the UK.

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Something like these?

  https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B008Z2890I/ 

  https://www.amazon.com/Magic-Makers-Ultimate-Tricks-Bicycle/dp/B00IFQS5MQ/

  https://www.amazon.com/Magic-Makers-Bicycle-Mixed-Deck/dp/B00NKOLH1E/

  https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01MZI692I/

I haven't actually bought these decks so I can't comment on the quality.

If you would rather buy from an actual magic shop, here's one (but you're probably in the US so I'm sure you can find a closer source): 
 
   https://browsers-den-of-magic.myshopify.com/products/bicycle-utility-variety-gaff-deck
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Welcome to TMF.  You will find so many helpful and very knowledgeable people on here.  There's always great conversation happening on many topics.  

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Hey, Jennifer, no, I know what the Snap Change is, I was simply lamenting my unwillingness to put in the necessary work to make it, uh, snap!

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Hi Jennifer, and welcome to TMF.

I hope you'll have some fun here with us.

Cheers,

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Here in Sweden they do not sell Bicycle cards, you can find only very poor quality "Öberg" brand of Playing Cards (Spelkort = PlayingCards in Swedish) so I have to order them from amazon.co.uk for $30 USD for a box of 12, plus shipping!

I've contacted United States Playing Card Company International Sales about the issue and they were of little help.

I would be delighted to buy 12 decks for $15 bucks, consider yourself lucky!


In France I'm paying about 33 euros for my brick of Tally's. I know how you feel [wink]


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Welcome Jennifer, if you need any help or advice you will most certainly find it here. Also feel free to post your own videos video to share your stuff or ask for feedback.
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You seem like you are very enthusiastic and are looking for creative ways to apply what you learn. That is wonderful! Keep it up.

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In France I'm paying about 33 euros for my brick of Tally's. I know how you feel [wink]




Yep, Tally's No.9 are my preferred decks, haven't found anything better that feels quite as good in my hands as those. It's cheaper to order from amazon.co.uk than it is to purchases a brick from a magic shop here in Sweden and the closest one to me is a 2 hour drive. Insane! [crazy]

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I'm in the USA, should I try those Tally No 9?  How do they compare to bicycle?
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I'm in the USA, should I try those Tally No 9?  How do they compare to bicycle?


You may try them if you can.

They handle really well to me. I love my Tally's Fan Back. I don't know how they compare to bicycle as I don't have any from this year. I only have bicycle from 2005 - 2007 and I believe they might handle differently.

If you're at the beginning of your journey with cards, I think you won't perceive much of a difference. Both decks are quality. It's just about the back design and the price you want to put in the bricks.

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You may try them if you can.

They handle really well to me. I love my Tally's Fan Back. I don't know how they compare to bicycle as I don't have any from this year. I only have bicycle from 2005 - 2007 and I believe they might handle differently.

If you're at the beginning of your journey with cards, I think you won't perceive much of a difference. Both decks are quality. It's just about the back design and the price you want to put in the bricks.

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This.  They are remarkably similar.  I personally love the Tally Ho Circle and Fan Back.  They look awesome.  The Fan Back used to be called Zodiac Back by some magicians.  Don't know the history behind that.  They don't really look zodiac-y to me.
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Talley-Ho No. 9s are great. You can get them at a decent price over at Theory 11.

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Welcome Jennifer...…..you will find a lot of talent here. (Just a little hint on the site.....if you do a search on card splitting, gaffs etc., you may find some helpful information)  [wave]


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.. I can only pull off a decent Erdnase Color Change with daily practice. 
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Thanks for mentioning the Erdnase Color Change. I did a youtube search and found a good tutorial video.  I can now do it half way decently.. I'm not very fast at it.. often problem is other cards stick or I can't get good enough of a grip with palm etc. 

I did a "pick a card" trick .. shuffled back in with overhand shuffle with in jog and controlled it to bottom of deck.. Kept it there and controlled a single more card to the bottom over that.  I then flipped the deck and told the participant "this is your card".  They say no, and I say no problem I can fix that.. and do the Erdnase technique.  SO not a color change but a change to the card they picked.
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You keep that up -- sounds to me like you're doing great!

There are lots of good resources on here for card folks... so avail yourself of them as well.

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Thanks for mentioning the Erdnase Color Change. I did a youtube search and found a good tutorial video.  I can now do it half way decently.. I'm not very fast at it.. often problem is other cards stick or I can't get good enough of a grip with palm etc. 

I did a "pick a card" trick .. shuffled back in with overhand shuffle with in jog and controlled it to bottom of deck.. Kept it there and controlled a single more card to the bottom over that.  I then flipped the deck and told the participant "this is your card".  They say no, and I say no problem I can fix that.. and do the Erdnase technique.  SO not a color change but a change to the card they picked.


If cards are sticky then they are getting a lot of use.  Your skin leaves oils on the cards and this will cause sticking and clumping when fanning, etc.

Always wash your hands before handling the cards if you want to help prevent this.  The Erdnase change benefits from a very light touch.  You'll be amazed at how small a "brief" you actually need in order to secure the card.  This is based upon the cards being in good condition though.  Avoid any obvious backwards movement as you get the card slid out into position.  Something I used to do is approach the deck with my hand cupped a bit and then when I make contact I would open my hand wide.  It was the opening of the hand that caused the card to slide back, not backward movement of my hand per se.  Hope that makes sense.
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I'll make sure to wash hands every time before grabbing cards.  Thanks.  Is it common to go through a few decks per month, accumulating a large bin of used playing cards over time?  I suppose those cards could be used for other tricks where you want many of the same card.

Is there anything I can put on my lower palm to grip the cards better during Erdnase Color Change?  Maybe spray a little hairspray on it or something? 
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Dry hands are common. Find a lotion or moisturizer that works best for your skin type. In a pinch a tiny amount of saliva, surreptitiously applied, works wonders!

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For your dry hands. Get a small spray bottle to carry to gigs. Big bottle to refill.
http://www.chamberlainlotion.com/goldentouch.php

I go through a lot of decks especially if I'm performing strolling magic. Use the leftovers to practice the Mercury Fold. You'll like that if you don't know it already.
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By the way, Chamberlain Lotion is magic. I get really dry hands in spring and fall. My knuckles look like hell. But spraying the lotion on them makes them look good for the moment, and keeping at it will have my hands back to normal in a few days. Was
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Thanks for the tips!  I licked my lower palm and wow what a difference!  Gripped extremely well for Erdnase Color Change!  I need to get that lotion you guys mention, gonna buy it today.

I can now do the Erdnase almost flawlessly every time. I slide my lower hand back then forward keeping upper hand in place.
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To to the TMF. I am impressed by your willingness to learn. Are you looking for specific gaffed cards? Try to find Don England's book "TKO Knockouts" it has a lot of great ideas with gaff cards.
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Thanks for the tips everyone!

I just got my Svengali and Stripper deck from Long Magic (was like $15 from Amazon and both came with a booklet each with a 100 tricks in it -- good deal). Pretty fun! Both decks are actually Bicycle Rider Back decks -- they just modify them I found out.

I then watched a Shin Lim video with DIY how to make color change Svengali deck.  I took two old decks, red and blue and made it.  All faces are unique, but 26 are red back and 26 are blue back.  I set up a jig with spare playing card and double sided tape on paper cutter and trimmed the tops of the blue cards about the same amount as Hampton did with the Svengali deck I got from them. Works very well.. it's very fun to do Erdnase Color Change and then riffle through the cards and show the spectator how they all changed.. changing it back and forth at will.

Anthony, thanks again so much for mentioning Erdnase Color Change technique as I use it quite a bit.  Great for changing color of a card face, or the back.. or even if you want to make it appear you made a mistake finding their card and magically change the top card to their card with a wave of the hand.  Also great if you make a mistake with overhand shuffle where their card isn't the top one but say second from the top.

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