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This is another that I found in Bound To Please by Simon Aaronson.  It's a fantastic trick to do with a mem deck but oddly enough the deck is not in regular mem deck order.  It's a semi-mind reading demonstration that can be done with up to ten people and you can do a prediction of one of the spectator's thought of cards.  I recommend that anyone interested in mem deck work get this book as it has a lot of useful practical effects, including the Aaronson Stack in case you don't already have a memorized deck order in your brain.  I think this stack is one of the most useful but for this trick any stack works. 
I would go into more detail about the trick but that would amount to blatant exposure, but I highly recommend the trick to anyone doing mem deck work.
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Agreed. Histed Heisted is a modern classic.
It is very strong piece and like all of Aronson's stuff, very devious.
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Have you guys performed Histed Heisted?  I read it today. Seems ver procedurial for an effect with an audience that large.  

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I taught my version, Heisting Histed Heisted 2.0 in my Penguin lecture in January. In this version the spectators shuffle all the cards together as in Aronson's routine. But in HHH 2.0, you can show that you have the card among the cards you read. You also can hand cards to the specs (without looking at them) asking them to pass them along until someone sees his/her card. Then you read minds etc.

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I taught my version, Heisting Histed Heisted 2.0 in my Penguin lecture in January. In this version the spectators shuffle all the cards together as in Aronson's routine. But in HHH 2.0, you can show that you have the card among the cards you read. You also can hand cards to the specs (without looking at them) asking them to pass them along until someone sees his/her card. Then you read minds etc.

Mike


Mike, I'm going to purchase your Peguin lecture this afternoon. I'm looking forward to seeing your work!

So glad that you're here [smile]

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The lecture was four hours and 45 min or so! Lots of stuff there. Hope you find some gold.

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I love HH and have been able to keep groups well entertained with it.  Mike, I'm going to have to check out your lecture.

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HH is a devious, beautiful routine.  I read and studied it from Bound To Please, but always worried about screwing it up in front of a large audience....Think I might dust it off again!!!!

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Histed Heisted is essentially a variation of Louis Histed’s The Miracle Divination. Simon Aronson’s version mainly differs, but not only, by his adding a prediction of one of the selected cards.

This type of effects is nowadays known generically as The Princess Card Trick and it has seen many variations such as Al Baker's Vocalepathy or Leo Horowitz's The Twenty-Five Card Trick published in Greater Magic.

If you are interested in its history and its very ingenious variations, Peter W. Tappan's monograph The Impostress Princess Expanded is a must read.

When I first started presenting this effect (actually a variation with fewer spectators), I wanted to make sure that my presentation would be as good as possible and I did not want to be distracted by the fear of hesitating during the calling of the cards. I adopted an Al Koran’s idea presented in the Tappan book, and did a deck switch after the cards had been collected. I executed a very casual switch as there's no heat on the deck, which has been gathered and shuffled by a spectator. After a while I decided to keep the switch as it has a few added advantages to the original handling.

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I have a little challenge for you guys: How would you go about presenting this effect with a stack which does not look random, such as Si Stebbins?

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I have used Mike Powers version and it gets great reaction! I sure you will love it. I first saw Mike perform this at Abbotts Close up day during the week long convention years back and it really sells as mind reading.
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I agree 100%.
The version from Mike Powers is AT LEAST (in my opinion better) as the original one from Simon Aronson.

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Thanks for the good press! I use Heisting Histed Heisted in every show. It really does kill.

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I executed a very casual switch as there's no heat on the deck, which has been gathered and shuffled by a spectator. After a while I decided to keep the switch as it has a few added advantages to the original handling.

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I have a little challenge for you guys: How would you go about presenting this effect with a stack which does not look random, such as Si Stebbins?


Challenge: I would NEVER do it with a stack that is so obvious. That trick is too beautiful to ruin it.
Besides, what is the need to perform it with Si Stebbins if you switch the deck?
If you don't know your stack good enough or are unsure, use a crib.
You can easely palm a blank face card with your stack on it and add that card to the deck you receive.

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I don't know if I posted about this earlier? In HHH 2.0 I added the use of a mem deck. The original does not use mem deck, but the addition of the mem deck allows you much more latitude and makes for a stronger effect.

What I thought was stronger about HHH (over HH) is that you can show the spectator that you have the card. You can give it to the spec to keep etc. You can't do this with the original HH.

The way HHH is written up in Power Plays, you name the cards you hold and the specs say whether or not they heard their card. In HHH 2.0 (with mem deck) you can hand the cards to the specs without looking at them yourself. This makes for a stronger effect.

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Histed Heisted is essentially a variation of Louis Histed’s The Miracle Divination. Simon Aronson’s version mainly differs, but not only, by his adding a prediction of one of the selected cards.

This type of effects is nowadays known generically as The Princess Card Trick and it has seen many variations such as Al Baker's Vocalepathy or Leo Horowitz's The Twenty-Five Card Trick published in Greater Magic.

If you are interested in its history and its very ingenious variations, Peter W. Tappan's monograph The Impostress Princess Expanded is a must read.

When I first started presenting this effect (actually a variation with fewer spectators), I wanted to make sure that my presentation would be as good as possible and I did not want to be distracted by the fear of hesitating during the calling of the cards. I adopted an Al Koran’s idea presented in the Tappan book, and did a deck switch after the cards had been collected. I executed a very casual switch as there's no heat on the deck, which has been gathered and shuffled by a spectator. After a while I decided to keep the switch as it has a few added advantages to the original handling.

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I have a little challenge for you guys: How would you go about presenting this effect with a stack which does not look random, such as Si Stebbins?


Challenge: I would NEVER do it with a stack that is so obvious. That trick is too beautiful to ruin it.
Besides, what is the need to perform it with Si Stebbins if you switch the deck?
If you don't know your stack good enough or are unsure, use a crib.
You can easely palm a blank face card with your stack on it and add that card to the deck you receive.

I have quoted the whole of my post within your quote so as not to denature its message, as your editing of it gives my post a different meaning.

First of all, there's no need to be so aggressive in your answer. You say I am ruining the effect? How? And where do I say I use Si Stebbins in my own routine? Though I maintain it's perfectly possible to do so with lateral thinking.

Secondly, evidently you have not understood the challenge part of my post.

How would you go about presenting this effect with a stack which does not look random, such as Si Stebbins?

The challenge is how, for people who use non-random looking stacks, to nevertheless present the effect so that the stack order is not apparent to the audience? Reciting the stack in order is obviously not a solution.

I have a couple of solutions that I have developed for magician friends who use Si Stebbins as a memdeck (as they have memorized it), and I am sure that some other creative souls have as well. I'd been interested in exchanging ideas.

Finding a solution to this conundrum is the challenge – and stifling dialog and imagination is not the way to go about it as dogmatism is the death of creativity.
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I have always loved The Paul Fox Miracle Gimmick effect but I always felt uncomfortable with its crib method.  Enter Histed Heisted.  After reading it, I was inspired and motivated and immediately started learning the mem deck.  This journey has been very rewarding...and, of course, caused me to, one by one, buy all of Simon's books and learn a number of the mem deck effects contained therein.  I picked a few favorites and the rest eventually fell to the wayside as functional overload.  Time to get those Aronson books out again, dust them off and re-read a number of those mem deck classics...particularly Histed Heisted.

I also purchased Mike Powers Penguin lecture and am looking forward to discovering his Heisting Histed Heisted 2.0 effect.

Claudio, being relatively new to The Magician's Forum, I'm not certain of the forum's protocols regarding open discussion of methodologies.  Therefore, I'm not certain if your brainstorming query calls for open discussion here in this thread or for PMs.  I'll play it safe and PM you with some of my ideas.

Now, time to return to my viewing of Mike Powers' Penguin lecture.

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Hi Mike,

It think you'll like HHH 2.0. You can use the concept without any memorization. That's how it was originally written up. As in the Aronson routine, the spectators shuffle the cards they're holding and in fact all the packet are shuffled together by a spec. The advantage of my routine is that you have the cards you're naming. In Aronson, you cannot show the thought of card because you don't actually have it.

I use HHH 2.0 in every stand up show. It totally kills.

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Hi Mike,

We met in Portland OR/Vancouver, WA about a year ago at your lecture held at Dave's Killer Magic.  You and I had a very nice discussion about your PM Principle trick.  As for your Penguin lecture, while I am watching and enjoying the video, I am anxious to get to the HHH 2.0 performance and explanation (grin)  Any help you might provide (as to approximately how far into the lecture HHH 2.0 is) would be appreciated.  That said, I've got lots of time and I am now just past the 1 hour mark in this 4+ hour lecture.  (WHEW!) [smile]

On to hour 2.

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It's at about 2:26:18. I have invited five people to join me for the experiment.

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Hi Mike,

I've always been a fan of the Paul Fox Miracle Gimmick effect. the Louis Histed The Miracle Divination effect and Simon Aronson's Histed Heisted variation.  I was glad to learn of your Heisting Histed Heisted 2.0 variation.

Thanks for that info on your Penguin LIVE Lecture performance.  I watched your Heisting Histed Heisted 2.0 performance and the explanation.   It is an interesting and a very nice effect.  A lot is going on and more so than most effects.  Participant management is critical.  And, because of the performance's length...and somewhat repetitive nature of the revelations, , I can certainly appreciate that the revelation variations (like you did) and the jazzing(like your did) are critical to help maintain audience interest throughout the entire length of the effect.  And, if I recall the performance correctly, I especially liked how you were able to hand the cards back to one of the participants so that she could see that the cards were actually the ones being called out by you.  Nice going.

Thank you again for sharing Heisting Histed Heisted 2.0 with the membership.

Mike

P.S.  All the foregoing is just IMHO; your mileage may vary..and probably does. (grin)


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Thanks Mike.

BTW I just received lecture download cards from Penguin. So if anyone would like to purchase the lecture (nearly 5 hours), I am selling the download for $20.

It was Eugene Burger who encouraged me to vary the revelations in HHH 2.0. He said that after the 2nd time you've "read" someone's mind, you have proven your ability. He thought that the arc would be downhill if you keep doing the same thing i.e. read the next person's mind. That's why I try to vary it in HHH 2.0.

Being able to hand the cards to the spectators is a big advantage of HHH 2.0 over the original. Also, as I recall, in the original you read off the names of 10 cards. In HHH 2.0 you either read off five cards, which you actually are holding, or you hand five cards to the spectators to examine.

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I just pulled Bound to Please off the book shelf and am devouring HH.  Looks like a killer, and I am pleased I don't have to learn another stack - it works with Mnemonica!  Now I shall look at Mike's penguin lecture.  

2 days into the new year, and Im already distracted from my magic learning plan with something shiny and new.  [wink]


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