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Bill Guinee

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I perform standing at tableside wearing a sports jacket. Getting into and out of my coat pocket seems cumbersome and I am considering using a holdout for large loads (as in chop cup, benson bowl, etc). Do you have any suggestions for either home-made or manufactured holdouts that work well for this? If so, can you tell me where to get information on them?  Thanks.
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Hi Bill

You might want to check out Topit 180.  It had mixed reviews but I had a chance to see the design and I thought the concept was absolutely brilliant.

For something a little more old-school (and less $-consuming) would something like this be of any use?
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Bill, do you have a copy of John Bannon's Smoke and Mirrors? In it he describes an interesting, easily obtained and versatile holdout that he calls the I/O Holdout. It just might suit your needs. It's described in the routine titled One is the Onliest. If you don't have a copy, PM me and I'll tip it. 

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If you are a member of Kozmo's ReelMagic  Magazine go to on demand plus and look up Cellini on street performing. There are 3 videos that tip a lot about the art with some body loads for cups and balls including large loads like grapefruit.
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As a person who used to have any number of things stuffed under his coat at any given time, I'll share some experience.  First of all, I hated putting load balls in my outside coat pockets.  The load balls for cups and balls, for example.  The ones I used would barely fit under the cups and having three in one pocket made a noticeable bulge.  Plus it was difficult to get them out smoothly.  YMMV.

So I resorted to putting them under the coat.  One thing I learned from working a manipulation act is that it is alway better, when possible, to not attach anything to your coat.  The one exception, for me, was the dove pockets.  Those pretty much had to go in the breast areas of the jacket.  But all of my other holders, especially the billiard ball holders, were attached either to my vest or my pants.  The reason is twofold.  On the one hand, anything you attach to your jacket has a tendency to weigh it down and create a bulge, sag or wrinkle that can be perceived.  A loose jacket hanging over a holder tends to float, hiding the load.

The second reason is because coats move.  If you reach for a holdout and it isn't there, you're screwed.  Now you are reaching and hunting and that looks bad.  So by attaching it to your vest or pants, it remains in the same place no matter how you move.

A good place to anchor clips is your belt, and depending upon how your coat fits, the balls might be best placed behind your hips.  It may take some trial-and-error to find the proper placement.  Obviously you don't want to look like you have a "bustle" in your coat.

The type of load matters too.  I always used rubber load balls and they were quite heavy.  I did, however have some crocheted load balls that I used for my Chop Cup which were quite light.  So that is a consideration too.  Lighter is better so long as the load is still impressive.

I used to fashion my own clips out of heavy gauge wire, painted black.  I didn't have a way to solder them to safety pins, so I wrapped some thin wire, like twist-ties around the join of the two and then wrapped that with black electrical tape.  I still have a few laying around and they are in great shape.

If you use jumbo coins, they can fit under your belt in the back.  I've never had one fall, but I suppose there is a chance of it.  If that is something you use, a clip can be easily fashioned.  Again, I suggest anchoring to your pants.

The main thing is whatever method you use has to be smooth.  The worst position to be in is to telegraph a steal at a bad moment.  Ruins all of the fun.  

When I did my stage act, I didn't have to even think about finding anything, I just dropped my hand and the load was there.  I rested my hand on my hip and it was there.  That's what you're shooting for.
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