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Senor Fabuloso

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While not often, there are times when the ID method can be discovered, by the astute spectator. True story, early in my career I was performing wakaround and a fraternity and even with mildly inebriated young men, the deck was called out by one of the older brothers. On that day I decided that I needed a fix and this is what I came up with. It's very simple and those that know the working of the original will but a simple learning curve to remember. I hope you use it.

Instead of but odd/even on there perspective sides, we mix black odd with red even on one side and black even with red off on the other. We also must match alternate suits instead of the usual 13 numerical cue. Example,

One side wold have the ace of clubs the other the ace of diamonds.
The same side would have the four of hearts the other the four of spades.

Hearts are ached with spades and clubs are matched with diamonds.

The only thing that becomes a bit difficult but not really, are the kings.

What I do is keep one color on one side and the other, on the opposite side.

So the king of clubs and spades are on side one with the black odd/red even side. And the diamond and heart king are on the side, with the black even/red odd cards.

These are what I have been using for over 30 years and I have yet, to busted like in my opening story. It does take a little getting used to but once you get it, it becomes as easy as the original.

I hope you like it?

Oh and in anticipation of those who might say "don't run if not being chased" remember I was chased by the astute spectator. (my take on what happened)

Thanks.

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Interesting idea, Senor -- thanks for posting that!
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Many many years ago I learned (I wish I could remember where!) a two-deck version of the popular "Fred" trick ... as in "I can tell you the name of your card ... it's Fred" and then you show that their thought-of card has "Fred" written on it. 

In the standard one-deck version, the volunteer is restricted to thinking of cards from only half the deck.  In the two-deck version the volunteer can think of any card at all.  The downside is that you have to get them to name their card before the deck is introduced.  The upside is that you can spread through the entire deck showing different names before showing that the card they thought of is the only one with the name you predicted.

I loved this version and performed it for years - until my close-up case took a bath and a lot of prepared decks were ruined - I never got around to reconstructing the decks for this.

The reason for taking this stroll down memory lane is that the creator of this routine had the same very clever idea as Senor Fabuloso describes.  One of the two decks was for Red Odds and Black Evens, and the other was for Black Odds and Red Evens.   I still remember the acronyms:  ROBE for the first and BORE for the second.

As SF says, I was never ever busted on the mix of faces that are seen.  The ROBE/BORE separation is very innocent looking.

You can also use it for other purposes.  For example, give each of two volunteers half the deck.  Have them shuffle their cards (face up if they like), choose one each, then trade their cards and shuffle the other person's card into their half-deck.  The deck is re-assembled and cut.  Spreading them on the table, you are immediately able to identify the chosen cards.   Of course the secret is that you gave one volunteer all the ROBE cards and the other got all the BORE cards.  When you know what you are looking for the strangers stick out like the proverbial sore thumb!

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I came across EBOR-OBER many days ago in The Gen magazine. I can't recall the trick/routine now, but the inventor/contributor was a Glasgow magician called Tommy Fredericks, operating as Frederica.

He contributed much and often to The Gen, and when Supreme acquired the rights to Harry Stanley's stuff Edwin Hooper published a bunch of his material in book form. Possibly "The Magic Of Frederica".
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Gentlemen

at the time that I created the Invisible deck discrepancy fix, I was unaware of anything even resembling ROBE/BORE. However it doesn't surprise me that that it's been used in other effects. It really wasn't that hard, to figure out and I suppose there were other ways, I could have fixed the problem. It just came to me the night of the gig and is something I have used, ever since.

I wanted to share it with the board because the ID is such a powerful weapon in our arsenal, that to discard it because of the dependency, seemed foolish to me. There are those who will say "well just use a brainwave or put the cards face to face but for me, the upside down card creates a moment of anticipation before the turnover that I think, is stellar.

A story recounted to me by one of the old timers was "on a television show possibly Johnny Carson? Dai Vernon performed a complicated routine with cards that was received, very favorably by the audience and host. On the same show was a young man maybe in his teens, that did the Invisible deck to a standing ovation. I was told that the Professor, was pissed.

So again, I hope this finds it's way into your repertoire and becomes one of the pieces, you do most often. I have other work on the ID presentationally speaking, as well as the substance I use to make my decks. I'll post them at a later date.

Be well.

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That's true Senor F.  Thanks for the fix, I'll look into it when I drag out the ID. Come to think of it, Bob King used a different set up for the ID.   J. C. Wagner told me the same kind of thing that happened to the Professor.  He said (to some point) "you do all this killer sleight of hand, and what do they remember?  The ******* bunnies." 
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That's true Senor F.  Thanks for the fix, I'll look into it when I drag out the ID. Come to think of it, Bob King used a different set up for the ID.   J. C. Wagner told me the same kind of thing that happened to the Professor.  He said (to some point) "you do all this killer sleight of hand, and what do they remember?  The ******* bunnies." 


The audience should not know how hard tricks are to do, right? Otherwise we're back to displays of skill versus "real magic".

So the message to us is what Vernon himself contended and that is "effect is everything".

If you slay them with two in the hand, one in the pocket, don't fret that your ambidextrous, color-changing invisible palm aces goes unappreciated. Learn from it.
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The audience should not know how hard tricks are to do, right? Otherwise we're back to displays of skill versus "real magic".

So the message to us is what Vernon himself contended and that is "effect is everything".

If you slay them with two in the hand, one in the pocket, don't fret that your ambidextrous, color-changing invisible palm aces goes unappreciated. Learn from it.


On the money. And connected, I think, is one of my favourite quotes. It’s from Liberace:
“My whole trick is to keep the tune well out in front.
If I play Tchaikovsky, I play his melodies and skip his spiritual struggle. If there’s any time left over I fill in with a lot of runs up and down the keyboard.”

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All the extenuating commentary not withstanding, this is the substance I use for making Invisible decks. Krylon Brand acrylic crystal clear spray paint in the satin finish.

There is no need to coat the whole back, of each card. Just a line down the middle, is enough. Allow them to dry at least 15 minutes and then pair, as in my original post. That's it. There are many types of substances that can be used, to make decks but this is what has worked best for me. In a pinch, I have also used white crayons but the paint is the way to go, for long lasting rough/smooth results.

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Krylon 1311 has long been acknowledged as the special sauce for home-built IDs. It can be a bit treacherous to work with though, requiring one to work outside or in a properly ventilated space. In either case a breathing mask is recommended.  

Have you tried the Roughing Sticks sold by Vanish Inc? They work well once you get the hang of properly applying it, and take far less time. 

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I make my decks in the living room, without even a window open.

I'm not spraying, like a maniac. Just a quick like down the middle, as I have already described. It smells a little but nothing my family and I, can't stand.

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I make my decks in the living room, without even a window open.

I'm not spraying, like a maniac. Just a quick like down the middle, as I have already described. It smells a little but nothing my family and I, can't stand.


Well, I am glad that that works for you, but for the general health and welfare of others reading this, the manufacturer strongly recommends using the product in a well-ventilated area, along with a long list of other precautions and warnings. Anyone using Krylon or similar products should be advised. 

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I'm pretty sure the majority of members here, can read warning labels but perhaps your right and an even more vigorous warning, is needed?

The point of the post is the how to, not the beware. We can talk all day about all the things, to be afraid of in this world but I'd rather keep the conversation on, invisible decks.

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Fair enough, Senor Fabuloso. I agree that our membership can read warning labels. Thing is, you personally endorsed a product that carries significant warnings about potential hazards. I felt, and still feel, that it is prudent to make mention of them for the benefit of those who may not be aware of the inherent dangers associated with the product. As a reasonable man, you no doubt understand.  

Please, carry on with your discussion of IDs and be well.

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I touched up my Mental Photography decks a month ago. I cut Scotch Clear Mounting Squares into tiny pieces, about 1/4" square. I stick them to a sheet of poster board. The cards pop off nicely and there's no residue left on them from the mounting squares. I take the board outside and give it one spray with Testors Dullcote. Dry in about 5 minutes.
I've always had to touch up a factory deck after a few months but after that they're good until I have to retire them.
I used to close off my kitchen and spray them with the windows open. I'd step out and wait for the fumes to clear. One day I got a bit dizzy so I moved the spraying outdoors. I'll stick to sniffing Sharpies.

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Senor,
If you do any mem-deck work, you can just have the even location numbered cards on one side and the odds on the other. So, for example, if you were using the Tamariz stack one side would have the 4 of clubs backed by the two of hearts, then the 7 of diamonds backed by the 3 of clubs, and so forth. Not worth memorizing a deck to do this, but if you already know one, it would be undetectable.
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Senor,
If you do any mem-deck work, you can just have the even location numbered cards on one side and the odds on the other. So, for example, if you were using the Tamariz stack one side would have the 4 of clubs backed by the two of hearts, then the 7 of diamonds backed by the 3 of clubs, and so forth. Not worth memorizing a deck to do this, but if you already know one, it would be undetectable.


I played with this idea a fair bit.  The first thing to remember is that even cards go with the the odd card one lower and odd cards go with the even card one higher.  Easy enough but I wasn't thrilled.  I just ended up going back to the standard set-up.

In regards to the standard set-up, I was caught out on this one time, by a groomsmen, the day before my wedding back in 2001.  To this day, that is still the only time and I'm happy with that I think.  My trial run with the deck like Bill mentioned was maybe too short, but it just wasn't as natural to me as the normal handling.

To be clear, I'm quite sure this is just because the difference in the amount of time I had spent in each system.  If I could go back and choose a method to learn, the method Bill outlines would probably be the way I would go.
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Fair enough, Senor Fabuloso. I agree that our membership can read warning labels. Thing is, you personally endorsed a product that carries significant warnings about potential hazards. I felt, and still feel, that it is prudent to make mention of them for the benefit of those who may not be aware of the inherent dangers associated with the product. As a reasonable man, you no doubt understand.  

Please, carry on with your discussion of IDs and be well.

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I'm sure many of you do this indoors (based on what I've read) but please, find a place and do it outside.  Whether or not you get dizzy (which essentially means you've taken so much of the solvent in that your brain isn't processing correctly!), indoor use leads to the accumulation of particulates in and around the house.  These include both the propellant as well as the actual chemicals being used, both of which in this discussion can be toxic.

JUST...DO...IT...OUTSIDE.

For all the people who want to say they've done it this way for years, that is like smokers saying they have smoked for years and haven't gotten lung cancer.  Or people who say they never wear seatbelts and are just fine.  I could give 100 examples of this.  Just do it outside, please.

And that ends my public safety announcement.
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