Sign up Latest Topics Chat
 
 
 


Reply
  Author   Comment  
Ten

Member
Registered:
Posts: 4
Reply with quote  #1 
Hi !

I'm Ten, I'm twenty one, from France, and I've been doing magic for three years now.

It started when I was in what we call "Prépa", it's two very intensive years of study before we can attend engineering schools. I left my parents and I was only coming back for the week ends, and one day I came back and my brother showed me some stuff he learnt about gambling cheating techniques, and he showed me a very simple trick where he would control a card from the middle to the bottom of the deck.
I was all in my studies, very hard stuff, and suddently a simple thing like that and I was absolutely unable to figure out how he, my own brother, could do this, though he had never been into magic before.

He told me, taught me, and I was amazed how complex it was from his side as opposed to how natural it looked like on the other side.

I've always been passionate about understanding how people think, how they react to things, what they see and what they don't see, and being to anticipate or even induce these reactions on a formal level.

After I saw that, I went to see how I could possibly learn magic, and somehow I found two channels on youtube that were absolutely great.
Now I know how some of you feel about magic being taught on youtube, but without that, as a student without much more money than he needs to eat, and without the motivation to buy something without knowing what's behind, I would never have really started magic.
I watched a lot of these videos, learnt a lot of their techniques, and perfected them for hours and hours in front of a mirror.
And as time went by, as I learnt the techniques, I started performing. To people I knew first, to my classmates, and now very regularly to strangers at parties.

I have learnt sleights. I have learnt tricks. My double lift is one of the best I see despite all the videos I watch. My classic pass is so good that I can use it as a color change. I've learnt Mnemonica and used it with my pass to do one of the cleanest ACAANs I've seen. I've watched Shawn's explanations on his switch and managed to adapt it to my own coat to perform his "Ultimate invisible deck" routine. And I've also created a trick that only one person could (half) figure out yet, where after the fairest selection ever, the spectator calls my brother on the phone and he names the card that was picked. (That being said, I'm still an amateur with only 3 years of magic behind me, and without any doubt far from being as good as many of you.)

And despite all that, I feel like I'm unable to entertain as much as I'd like to the people I do magic for.
Now, maybe this is due to the fact I perform almost only to very rationnal people that I meet at my (great) school, but I feel like there's something else.

I can't get the atmosphere to be as relaxed as I'd want it to be and people to just have a good time. They're almost always just trying to figure out how it's done. I still always fool them, but that's just not what magic is about.

I come to you guys, not as desperate as the above may let you think, still absolutely enthousiastic about learning magic and new moves, still having had amazing reactions from people who had "never been so shocked in [their] entire life", but mostly looking forward to learn how to create more magic instead of simple fooling, in today's world where trying to convince people that you're doing real magic would almost be insulting.

As for the rest, I'm currently trying to learn the classic force, but I can't seem to convey the relaxed atmosphere that I'd need for it, and I know that Steven Youell has written a great paper about it but it seems to have disappeared apart from some random website which I doubt would give him royalties back.

I think that's it...
Oh, I've also seen today's "Saturday Session", and it was absolutely amazing. I discovered a lot of moves that I had never seen before, and that was very inspirational.

Thanks a lot, and see you ! [smile]
0
EVILDAN

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,903
Reply with quote  #2 
Welcome aboard Ten. Are you a guy or girl? I never met anyone named Ten. 

I think part of your problem is performing for people you know. And I'm guessing at this because this is a common problem. People know you, they've known you for years and now you're doing some amazing stuff that is flooring them. Think back to you watching your brother. You wanted to know how it was done. And so it is with friends and family. After your performance they want to know how it was done. More often than not, if you don't tell them, you're a jerk. 

You need to perform for strangers. That's number one. You're only into magic three years, but it's how you spent those three years that count. You seem to have invested some quality time and built some chops where you can perform your magic pretty competently. 

The second thing is you need to look at is your presentation. And I'm only guessing here based on what you've written. You need to find a way to connect with your audience. Find everything you can on Eugene Burger. I consider him a master at this. With a sentence or two he sets the framework for his magic and turns it from just a visual trick to a piece of theater. AND, when you can change your magic into something theatrical and something that people can watch, experience and enjoy, they tend to care less about how it was done. You still might hear "How did he do that?" But it's mostly rhetorical and they really don't want to know. 

A good lesson is Card Warp. Watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drgmB3HzmO4
The last performer is Eugene Burger. I believe he starts his routine by saying something like "A lesson in medieval torture using playing cards."
0
EVILDAN

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,903
Reply with quote  #3 
I don't believe you have to turn all your magic into theatrical presentations where you have a theme or storyline set to your magic. But if you learn how to do so, you can adapt this to your other magic and still make it theatrical without theme or storyline. You just present it "bigger." Kind of like what you're showing them matters. 
0
Robin Dawes

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,645
Reply with quote  #4 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EVILDAN
...
Find everything you can on Eugene Burger. I consider him a master at this. With a sentence or two he sets the framework for his magic and turns it from just a visual trick to a piece of theater.
...

Reading Burger's book "The Experience of Magic" was a transitional experience for me.  He asks the questions "What do we want our audience to experience when we perform for them?" and "How can we achieve that?"   He doesn't try to give a definitive answer because the answer will be different for every performer and every routine, but he gives illustrations from his own repertoire and gives guidance on how to find your own answers.

"They may forget what you said — but they will never forget how you made them feel."
—Carl W. Buehner
0
RayJ

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 4,006
Reply with quote  #5 
Ten, I agree with the comments above about audiences.  When I was much younger I used to do tricks for my family and friends.  There is something about sibling rivalry that makes it nearly impossible for brothers and sisters to give you compliments or a fair reaction to a routine.  I have seen that in my own children over the years.  I put fellow students and/or coworkers in the same category.  Some will be fair and give you genuine reactions, but many will try very hard not to be fooled, much harder than with someone they don't know.  That's just my experience.

The bottom line is to make certain that you have worked out the effect and the details yourself before ever showing it to anyone, friend or foe.  If they catch you once, it will be like chum in the water and they will try even harder to catch you next time.

Try as much as possible to find some strangers to work on.  And remember that effect is what you are hoping to achieve.  Your original post mentioned sleights a few times.  Magic is about mystery.  Not about doing a bunch of sleights undetected.

Good luck!
0
Ten

Member
Registered:
Posts: 4
Reply with quote  #6 
Thank you everyone for your answers.
I've watched the video and found the different presentations of the same trick very interesting, however I can't find Eugene Burger's book for less than 90$, which is a little much for me.

I'll try to perform more to strangers. [smile]

Oh, and @Dan, I'm a guy (Ten is actually a pseudonym as you might have guessed, I'm not used to using my real name on the internet.)
0
EVILDAN

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,903
Reply with quote  #7 
Check here:
http://dennymagic.com/store/catalogsearch/result/?q=eugene+burger

And don't forget to check his smaller booklets like Intimate Power.
0
Ten

Member
Registered:
Posts: 4
Reply with quote  #8 
Update : the reactions are indeed much better with complete strangers [wink]
0
Previous Topic | Next Topic
Print
Reply

Quick Navigation:

Easily create a Forum Website with Website Toolbox.