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Buffalo McKinley

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Hello,

What's the best way to practice the Classic Force?

I tried practicing with having my daughter choose a card, but once the person knows what you are trying to do (even if they're helping), it's kind of an awkward way to practice  ("Pretend you don't know that I'm pushing this one card toward you.")

Also, I was showing my brother-in-law Chicago Opener and tried to force a card at random on him, just for practice.  He started reaching for the card and then reached for a card near the end of the spread, presumably because he suspected that there might be a force going on.  How often does something like that happen?  And when it does, what do you do....perform a different trick that doesn't require a force?

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Someone suggested you perform the Classic Force whenever you need a card selected whether it need be forced or not.
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Someone suggested you perform the Classic Force whenever you need a card selected whether it need be forced or not.


Excellent advice! Just Classic Force every time; if it fails, do another trick using a control. In this case, DO force it! It's repetition and confidence that makes it happen convincingly and consistently.

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   Absolutely...try to classic force whenever you have a card selected. If it "misses" just control the card. You might also search for me performing my Ambitious Card Routine --- it's on the internet (try Lorayne on video) to see an interesting opening.
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Some Good Stuff in these replies.

As a sure-fire thing, the Classic Force has always eluded me. I've had some days when every attempt was on the button. Next day fully fired up and ready for action, was back to normal. that is, now and then.

Like much in Magic, it's a knack. Keep at it and you'll either get it, or you'll join me and a heck of a lot more in The Hammers. That's the HAM Club. Hit And Miss, or, well The Hammers.

It used to irritate me back in the pre-dawn prussic era, but not now. As with many/most things in and out of Magic, I take a more philosophical stance these days.
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Tony Gerard has some excellent work on the CF. I saw him fry a group of experts from Spain at 4F a couple of years ago. He kept forcing as they became less and less cooperative. Nonetheless he kept nailing it. You could see from their expressions that they were amazed.

Paul Gertner has a little manuscript on the CF. I believe one of his recommended exercises for practice is to move the spread toward a static item like a coffee mug and time it so that the force card meets the mug. It simulates moving the spread toward a spec's hand, which could also be in motion. 

The "attitude force" is a great CF method. Jack Pyle was the first one I saw use this idea. Danny DaOrtiz uses it too as does Mark Mason. Jack would spread the cards as the spec's hand was coming closer. Then, just when the spec's hand was nearly there, he'd break the spread as he looked away, leaving a nearly squared half deck in his left hand with the force card on top. The spec would take the card and would feel that it was the one s/he had been heading for. Looking away is a key part of the success of this concept. Watch videos of Dani and you'll see him use it. 

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I've used that approach. Don't know where it came from, but it works a treat. Purist that I am (not) I always felt it was "cheating" a bit. But it gets the job done. And for me it's a handy approach to have up my sleeve.
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Tony Gerard has some excellent work on the CF. I saw him fry a group of experts from Spain at 4F a couple of years ago. He kept forcing as they became less and less cooperative. Nonetheless he kept nailing it. You could see from their expressions that they were amazed.

Paul Gertner has a little manuscript on the CF. I believe one of his recommended exercises for practice is to move the spread toward a static item like a coffee mug and time it so that the force card meets the mug. It simulates moving the spread toward a spec's hand, which could also be in motion. 

The "attitude force" is a great CF method. Jack Pyle was the first one I saw use this idea. Danny DaOrtiz uses it too as does Mark Mason. Jack would spread the cards as the spec's hand was coming closer. Then, just when the spec's hand was nearly there, he'd break the spread as he looked away, leaving a nearly squared half deck in his left hand with the force card on top. The spec would take the card and would feel that it was the one s/he had been heading for. Looking away is a key part of the success of this concept. Watch videos of Dani and you'll see him use it. 

Mike


I just found this video of Tony Girard performing a classic force on JC Wagner. He nails it 47 times in a row!! It’s called the idiosyncratic classic force. Has he published his work on this?



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Antony Gerard's MAGIC BEHIND BARS.

Book and DVD available.
http://www.gerardenterprises.com/BEHIND-BARS.html
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Antony Gerard's MAGIC BEHIND BARS.

Book and DVD available.
http://www.gerardenterprises.com/BEHIND-BARS.html


Thanks PressureFan,

I just got off the phone with Antony not too long ago. He sounds like a really nice guy. We had a fairly lengthy conversation about his work on the classic force.

I just purchased his DVD and book on the subject.

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