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I want to approach to stage hypnosis. Do you know any stage hypnosis basic routines or books and other stuff? Thank you.
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Due to the massive amounts of literature on the subject it may help us help you if you maybe gave a little detail. Do you have any current experience with stage hypnosis?  Any hypnosis?  Are you looking at large theaters or smaller audiences.  Comedy? informative? There is just so much info it is hard, at least for me to give any direction without knowing more.   the basic question would be have you ever hypnotized anybody?
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Hey,

why do you want to approach stage hypnosis?

I know that it is quite common in these days. In Germany it feels that literally every professional Mentalist now do a hypnosis performance as well.
I saw a lot of them and for me it seems that the ‚victim‘ has allways to do silly things.
Michael Ammar once said in a lecture ‚only do things with a spectator on a stage having in mind that this spectator could be your own mother‘.

Try to find some interviews with David Berglas. He used to be one of Europe‘s most famous stage hypnotists. Now he is among the critics.

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Ok, thank you. I just saw that Bob Cassidy had mentioned stage hypnosis. I have no experience, I am just interested to know about it. I am a bigginer in the area of mentalism. I have experience with card magic, and know I began learning mentalism. I have tried the basic routine of Bob Cassidy, where he mentioned the "Dr. Q complete hypnotic act - William Larsen". It just interested me to begin working with it.
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Due to the massive amounts of literature on the subject it may help us help you if you maybe gave a little detail. Do you have any current experience with stage hypnosis?  Any hypnosis?  Are you looking at large theaters or smaller audiences.  Comedy? informative? There is just so much info it is hard, at least for me to give any direction without knowing more.   the basic question would be have you ever hypnotized anybody?

I actually want to start with something basic. As I said, I tried the routine of Bob Cassidy, with the eyes that can't open. It is basic routine and it just worked to me all the times.

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Okay then if that is what you are looking for then I'd suggest  https://www.lybrary.com/the-real-work-of-stage-hypnosis-p-564.html

However it is a very big jump to get from "experience with card magic" to starting up with mentalism to stage hypnosis.  That said see the above link because if you are having success with Bob Cassidy type material then that is a great path to head down.   

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I agree with Bmat. If you are interested in the methods and workings a google search will give you tons of informations about hypnosis in general.

The Routine you mentioned above (Dr. Q complete hypnotic act - William Larsen) is explained in bis book

https://forums.geniimagazine.com/viewtopic.php?t=28169

But this is a fake hypnotic act. It just pretend to be the real thing.
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I don't think you can go far wrong with this book. It covers most aspects and will give a good overview of most questions you will probably have.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Encyclopedia-Stage-Hypnotism/dp/1899836020

However, I would suggest that good hypnotism requires training and practice and is not something that can just be learnt from a book.
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I agree with Bmat. If you are interested in the methods and workings a google search will give you tons of informations about hypnosis in general.

The Routine you mentioned above (Dr. Q complete hypnotic act - William Larsen) is explained in bis book

https://forums.geniimagazine.com/viewtopic.php?t=28169

But this is a fake hypnotic act. It just pretend to be the real thing.

Thank you. Actually it seems quite strange because Bob Cassidy introduces the "Stage Hypnosis" as separated from hypnosis, except for the concept. He says that it's all "fake" and than he says that after having a trial of this routine you can move to "standard" routines.

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I will try all these, thank you.
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Alex Duvall has to be one of the funniest on the subject ....  I think he sells materials on stage hypnosis.  He is my choice.

Hope it helps

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Yeah... All right, Thank you.
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Personally I'm not a big fan of the current state of magicians and how they choose to perform Hypnosis, but if you really want to do something worthwhile then please take a look at the work of Richard Busch.  His book 'The Busch Factor' suggests a completely different approach to utilizing trance as a mentalist - you can find details of all his products here:

http://www.richardbusch.com/mentalism/

You may also find it useful to investigate James Tripp's 'Hypnosis Without Trance' website:

https://www.hypnosiswithouttrance.com/2010/12/14/classic-card-stick/
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Years ago my daughter's senior class in high school had a "lock in" event after prom.  The kids had to surrender their cell phones and they had tons of organized games and such.  At one point they were all ushered into the theater and watched a performance by a stage hypnotist.  My daughter still talks about it.  It made a huge impact on her.  She said it was both funny and amazing.  No clue who the performer was, whether he was local or what.  Just thought I'd share because my daughter is not easily entertained and if she carries on about something it has to be good.  I guess that's my way of offering up support in your endeavor to learn.  Apparently whomever the performer was, he knew his stuff.
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Personally I'm not a big fan of the current state of magicians and how they choose to perform Hypnosis, but if you really want to do something worthwhile then please take a look at the work of Richard Busch.  His book 'The Busch Factor' suggests a completely different approach to utilizing trance as a mentalist - you can details of all his products here:

http://www.richardbusch.com/mentalism/

You may also find it useful to investigate James Tripp's 'Hypnosis Without Trance' website:

https://www.hypnosiswithouttrance.com/2010/12/14/classic-card-stick/

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Years ago my daughter's senior class in high school had a "lock in" event after prom.  The kids had to surrender their cell phones and they had tons of organized games and such.  At one point they were all ushered into the theater and watched a performance by a stage hypnotist.  My daughter still talks about it.  It made a huge impact on her.  She said it was both funny and amazing.  No clue who the performer was, whether he was local or what.  Just thought I'd share because my daughter is not easily entertained and if she carries on about something it has to be good.  I guess that's my way of offering up support in your endeavor to learn.  Apparently whomever the performer was, he knew his stuff.

Wow. Ok.

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You can also take a look at 'Act Of The Imagination' by Enrique Enriquez - this has some great ideas and will encourage you to treat your volunteers with respect as opposed to how most stage hypnotists behave. It's his approach toward Orville Meyer's work 'Telepathy In Action'.

Out of interest what are you aiming to achieve?

Are you looking to do a standard stage act, or do you wish to utilize hypnosis in your close-up work?

Consider that I am just a begginer in close up mentalism. I am working on the street, on propless's mentalism and similar stuff.

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I am completely in agreement with Soc on hypnosis. Many hypnotist use their show as a way to humiliate and make comedy at the expense of the volunteers. I am reminded of a story where a man removed his shirt during the act while under trance. After he was awoken, he ran off stage. He was embarrassed and felt as if he was the joke. That being said, there is a way of performing hypnosis that is both entertaining and respectful. Soc already mentioned one of my favorite books on the subject. He also mentioned the amazing James Tripp. Both are excellent resources. But I will list some more that really helped me a long the way. 

I can't suggest the work of Anthony Jaqcuin any higher. When I first set out to learn hypnosis, he was so kind. He gives you the absolute basics to start performing. I was fortunate enough to be in a facebook group with him back in the day. He has multiple DVD's and products he sales on his website. 

James Brown (the magician, not the singer) has an amazing course on the subject of hypnosis. His approach is quite different from many, but I still love it. His Penguin Live lecture is also worth a watch. 

Jay Noblezada's penguin live lecture. I don't think Jay is even in the community any more, which is a shame. He was kind enough to mentor me and get me involved with hypnosis. He teaches the basics on his penguin lecture wich is a great resource to start learning from. 

Robert Temple has a penguin live lecture. Although I wasn't a fan of everything in the show, I still think there is a lot of value in there. 

 

Lastly, check the laws about hypnosis in your state. There can be serious consequences for performing a hypnosis act without proper licensing and insurance. So educate yourself. Also, never practice hypnosis without first going over best practices (health and safety tips).Hypnosis, while entertaining, isn't a toy. You are messing with someones sense of reality. So treat them with the same level of respect you would want for yourself and your loved ones. 


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I am completely in agreement with Soc on hypnosis. Many hypnotist use their show as a way to humiliate and make comedy at the expense of the volunteers. I am reminded of a story where a man removed his shirt during the act while under trance. After he was awoken, he ran off stage. He was embarrassed and felt as if he was the joke. That being said, there is a way of performing hypnosis that is both entertaining and respectful. Soc already mentioned one of my favorite books on the subject. He also mentioned the amazing James Tripp. Both are excellent resources. But I will list some more that really helped me a long the way. 

I can't suggest the work of Anthony Jaqcuin any higher. When I first set out to learn hypnosis, he was so kind. He gives you the absolute basics to start performing. I was fortunate enough to be in a facebook group with him back in the day. He has multiple DVD's and products he sales on his website. 

James Brown (the magician, not the singer) has an amazing course on the subject of hypnosis. His approach is quite different from many, but I still love it. His Penguin Live lecture is also worth a watch. 

Jay Noblezada's penguin live lecture. I don't think Jay is even in the community any more, which is a shame. He was kind enough to mentor me and get me involved with hypnosis. He teaches the basics on his penguin lecture wich is a great resource to start learning from. 

Robert Temple has a penguin live lecture. Although I wasn't a fan of everything in the show, I still think there is a lot of value in there. 

 

Lastly, check the laws about hypnosis in your state. There can be serious consequences for performing a hypnosis act without proper licensing and insurance. So educate yourself. Also, never practice hypnosis without first going over best practices (health and safety tips).Hypnosis, while entertaining, isn't a toy. You are messing with someones sense of reality. So treat them with the same level of respect you would want for yourself and your loved ones. 



Thank you very much. I am living in Israel and we have a law that forbids hypnosis: In Israel, the “Hypnosis law” was established in 1983. This law regulates that only medical doctors and psychologists are allowed to use hypnotherapy in their practice, and only in their area of expertise. So Israel is the only country to forbid hypnosis.
I know some mentalists personally, how use hypnosis without trance.
It's very important. I just wanted to understand here what to learn: what's appropriate and what stuff is forbidden and may be dangerous.
Nimrod Harel, who known for using hypnosis, wether it's on his shows or in his tours, talked multiple times on TV about this issue. He said that he doesn't use any real hypnosis.
Could you tell me, more practically what should I know about trance and it's effects? About hypnosis which uses real trance, against the fake one?

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QRT, 

There are many theories about trance and hypnosis. Although you might not be able to practice hypnosis because of laws, it is always worth looking into Milton Erickson and his ideas on trance. I think his work (although deceitfully complex) is the best way to get a grasp on what hypnosis is and how it is used.

Anthony Jacquin's audio program "Ripped Apart" talks more about modern theories in hypnosis. That being said, it might not make a lot of sense for someone first starting out in hypnosis. James Tripp also talks a lot about getting hypnotic phenomena with ever using a classic induction. James Brown is also a great resource on mixing suggestion with regular performance pieces. He often debunks hypnosis while performing it. It is always a pleasure watching him perform. To echo Soc, Enrique's book isn't what I would call hypnosis but there are some interesting ideas in there that you might find useful. 

Beyond those resources, I would recommend learning routines that look like suggestion/ hypnosis that don't actively use "real" suggestions. Kenton Knepper, Thaddius Barker, Fraser Parker, Luke Jermay, and Patrick Redford all have amazing routines that look like real hypnosis but use more conventional methods to accomplish the effect. These men have created routines that use methods to create the illusion of hypnosis without having to actually learning the skill. These might be your best bet to learn because of the laws in your area. 

If you have any more questions, shoot me a DM! I'd love to help you out. 


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QRT, 

There are many theories about trance and hypnosis. Although you might not be able to practice hypnosis because of laws, it is always worth looking into Milton Erickson and his ideas on trance. I think his work (although deceitfully complex) is the best way to get a grasp on what hypnosis is and how it is used.

Anthony Jacquin's audio program "Ripped Apart" talks more about modern theories in hypnosis. That being said, it might not make a lot of sense for someone first starting out in hypnosis. James Tripp also talks a lot about getting hypnotic phenomena with ever using a classic induction. James Brown is also a great resource on mixing suggestion with regular performance pieces. He often debunks hypnosis while performing it. It is always a pleasure watching him perform. To echo Soc, Enrique's book isn't what I would call hypnosis but there are some interesting ideas in there that you might find useful. 

Beyond those resources, I would recommend learning routines that look like suggestion/ hypnosis that don't actively use "real" suggestions. Kenton Knepper, Thaddius Barker, Fraser Parker, Luke Jermay, and Patrick Redford all have amazing routines that look like real hypnosis but use more conventional methods to accomplish the effect. These men have created routines that use methods to create the illusion of hypnosis without having to actually learning the skill. These might be your best bet to learn because of the laws in your area. 

If you have any more questions, shoot me a DM! I'd love to help you out. 


Thank you very much.

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I used to do a quick past life regression for over the top drama. It's nothing but a talk about guided visualation.

I can post it if anyone is interested.
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I spent $12,000 and 6 Months learning hypnosis from the "Hypnotist to the stars" Barry Seedman. He was a regular on the Montel Williams show and I was impressed with his style. I also learned Ericksonian hypnosis in college, while studying psychology. I'm certified (which honestly means nothing as certification isn't necessary in most jurisdictions) By the International Association of Counselors and Therapist in cynical hypnosis.

What does that all mean when talking stage hypnosis which is how I put myself though college. Not a whole lot. Stage hypnosis is a complete different animal to clinical hypnosis and the intense training necessary for say the helth care industry really isn't required, in stage hypnosis. Many stage hypnotist want to complicate and discourage wannabe hypnotist, because they don't want the competition and feel that just like mentalism, will be watered down by magicians just looking for a new angle.

But just like other performing arts that is what stage hypnotism is and even if you want to play it like a lecture
in a more serious vein knowing some tricks or pseudo hypnosis, will help you out greatly. Here are some things you can do that look like hypnosis, but in no way is.

Strength Steal - I don't agree that anybody can do anything, as he says in the video but that's for another time

Foot stick

Shrinking Arm

There are also magic tricks designed to look like hypnosis such as,

The light and heavy box

Tear no tear paper

4 person lift from a chair

And others.

Now let me give you the real secrets of stage hypnosis in a nutshell,

By being confident and projecting control over how the demonstrations are structured, your participants will help you to succeed. In fact they have to because "all hypnosis is self hypnosis."

On stage your giving the participants PERMISSION to be themselves and act out in a way that they have never been "allowed" to do before.  They get to be stars with your help and direction.

Finally remember that it's theater and your allowed to use creative license, in your show.

I hope this helps the op and anybody else interested in Stage Hypnosis? It truly is rewarding.




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Hi All,

I having really been keeping up with this due to work and the like...

But I have to agree that most people complicate hypnosis when in reality it is really simple. In fact that is really part of the process in that you start stripping things away till till you get down to the bare essence and focus on that alone.

I have had major surgery using hypnosis, so you can't tell me it doesn't work and is BS, as I know differently.   Which is the key... KNOW DIFFERENTLY.

I was trained in clinical hypnosis so I don't really know stage hypnosis... they are quite different as a person in what is typically called deep trance is pretty damn boring to watch. That said I would love to bat some ideas around and see what comes of it.

I will try to check in more often.

If I were to try to learn it from scratch ... I think I would grab a couple NLP books.  Before you boo me out of the room, try to find one that focuses on the language patterns alone.  I don't remember the titles beyond the following ...

https://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Language-Patterns-Mastery-McLaughlin/dp/0969800908

BTW I got my copy from Larry, Great book but I am not sure I'd pay $350 for it.

Basically the book takes the appendixes out of the first 3 or 4 original NLP books and makes a set of exercises out of them.  A GREAT resource in that it teaches by making the student DO it.

Hope it helps!

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