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RayJ

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I'm sure that some members of this forum belong to a magic organization such as the International Brotherhood of Magicians, the Society of American Magicians or other local fraternity.

Would like see a show of hands and feedback.  I am considering becoming involved again after many years away.  I used to be active in the St. Louis magic scene and then life got in the way.

I did go to the websites of the local chapters of IBM and SAM and found some familiar names among many that were new to me.  I have a feeling not much has changed, but who knows?

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Hi Ray

I did a poll here a year or two ago - about 50% of the respondents were IBM members.

My affiliations:   IBM   and  CAM  (Canadian Association of Magicians)
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I'm an IBM member too.

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If you're interested, I'm sure they could use a fresh face.

From checking in on newsletters, my impression of my own local SAM and IBM groups is that they consist of the same small bunch of guys doing mostly the same stuff they were doing for each other 20 years ago.

I haven't been a member of anything since SYM as a teenager.
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I'm a member of SAM & IBM. Depending on the nature of your local clubs vs what you're looking to get out of attending any club meetings / events, your mileage could could vary greatly. 
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Thanks for the feedback so far.  Robin, I should have done a forum search before posting a new topic.
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Over the years I’ve belonged to both IBM and SAM.  

Many years ago, in Boston, both groups had great meetings and really sparked my interest in close-up magic.  Then when I relocated to New York City, there were excellent meetings in NYC and surrounding areas, some of which invited fabulous guest lecturers.  I’ll never forget those times, nor the inspiration and excitement about magic I felt then.  

Later on I moved back to Massachusetts and sadly found the local clubs to be quite lame.  Worst of all, the one closest to me had a habit of inviting professional speakers, then arranging to have one of their club members buy the lecturer’s material, and then copying everything for all the other members.  Very unethical, to say the least.  That really turned me off and I quit going.

Ten years ago, I relocated again, this time to the Seattle area.  I was hoping to be inspired by the local IBM and SAM groups over here, but unfortunately I was very disappointed.  Attended just a few meetings and then quit going altogether.  I also quit my membership in both organizations some time ago, but that was for different reasons.

Nevertheless, I’m sure there are good people out there, and hopefully you’ll be happy with the groups you encounter!


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Over the years I’ve belonged to both IBM and SAM.  

Many years ago, in Boston, both groups had great meetings and really sparked my interest in close-up magic.  Then when I relocated to New York City, there were excellent meetings in NYC and surrounding areas, some of which invited fabulous guest lecturers.  I’ll never forget those times, nor the inspiration and excitement about magic I felt then.  

Later on I moved back to Massachusetts and sadly found the local clubs to be quite lame.  Worst of all, the one closest to me had a habit of inviting professional speakers, then arranging to have one of their club members buy the lecturer’s material, and then copying everything for all the other members.  Very unethical, to say the least.  That really turned me off and I quit going.

Ten years ago, I relocated again, this time to the Seattle area.  I was hoping to be inspired by the local IBM and SAM groups over here, but unfortunately I was very disappointed.  Attended just a few meetings and then quit going altogether.  I also quit my membership in both organizations some time ago, but that was for different reasons.

Nevertheless, I’m sure there are good people out there, and hopefully you’ll be happy with the groups you encounter!



Thanks for the feedback Arthur.  In St. Louis back in the day, the IBM was considered more of the hobbyist group while the SAM was the more serious.  Likely the same still.

Regarding what happened to the lecturer, yes very unethical.  Lecturers depend upon sales to make their trip worth it.

Reminds me when I used to travel a lot for work I would stop into magic shops whenever I could.  I went into one shop where they actually were renting magic videos.  For $1.50 you could rent a video for two days or such.  Shame.
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I think the IBM is the way to go.
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Either way I think you get your money's worth if you have national membership and get the magazines. With I.B.M you get access online to all past copies of the Linking Ring I believe.

As mentioned above, local clubs sometimes leave a lot to be desired but generally can lead to some good friendships of like minded individuals.
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Paul is correct. You get access to all the past issues of the Linking Ring. You can download PDFs back to 2005 or so. Then "Ask Alexander" is available to look at all issues ever published. Great resource!

Genii gives you access to all past issues and to all of MAGIC Magazine as well.

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Paul is correct. You get access to all the past issues of the Linking Ring. You can download PDFs back to 2005 or so. Then "Ask Alexander" is available to look at all issues ever published. Great resource!

Genii gives you access to all past issues and to all of MAGIC Magazine as well.

Mike


Thanks Mike and Paul.  Good point and worth thinking about.
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I belong to both IBM and SAM. There are no local clubs for SAM in my area but there are two for IBM and I belong to both. Both clubs have a mix of a few full time magicians, a good number of part timers and some hobbyists (myself included). Both clubs also have two to three lectures a year which I enjoy. For me, the best benefit is to be able to bounce ideas off of people with more experience than myself. That includes performing a trick that I am still working on and asking for advice. Many of us try to present something new each month so while there are repeats over the course of several months, there is a reasonable amount of new to the group material. So for me I get much more out of IBM. But I do like the online lectures available from SAM. I am sure that there is a lot of variation between the local clubs and I have heard stories of clubs that I would not want to join. But I am happy enough with both IBM clubs to drive an hour each way to attend (I live out in the country).
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I belong to both IBM and SAM. There are no local clubs for SAM in my area but there are two for IBM and I belong to both. Both clubs have a mix of a few full time magicians, a good number of part timers and some hobbyists (myself included). Both clubs also have two to three lectures a year which I enjoy. For me, the best benefit is to be able to bounce ideas off of people with more experience than myself. That includes performing a trick that I am still working on and asking for advice. Many of us try to present something new each month so while there are repeats over the course of several months, there is a reasonable amount of new to the group material. So for me I get much more out of IBM. But I do like the online lectures available from SAM. I am sure that there is a lot of variation between the local clubs and I have heard stories of clubs that I would not want to join. But I am happy enough with both IBM clubs to drive an hour each way to attend (I live out in the country).
Regards, Mark


Thanks Mark.  We'll see how it goes.  I'll probably end up visiting both to get the "lay of the land" and who knows?

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I have been a member of SAM for over 30 years, but have never lived near a local assembly. I also have been a member of IBM Ring 90 for almost 15 years. These memberships help keep me informed on what is happening, meetings, journals, conventions, reviews, mentorships (not me personally), blogs, lectures etc. etc. etc. I have lived in some pretty remote areas and always looked forward to receiving the journals in the mail. They also are an entryway into becoming a better magician.
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IBM since 1999.  Ring 333 and Ring 7.
I've attended SAM club meetings over the years.
In college, I started a magic club on campus.

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