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Good evening folks.

My name is Sean Dyer. I am an actor / budding magician. I'm 29 years old and live in Victoria BC. I have my bachelor's degree in stage acting and am trying to expand into magic. I have done one magic show. It was well received only because my friends were the audience. Truth be told, the 5 tricks kinda sucked. Luckily the narrative held it together.

I'm really hoping I can get some advice on how to construct a good show and generally on efficient ways to improve my craft. I'm trying to put together a second show for the end of august. I don't have much money so my gimmick tricks will be limited. I'm very interested in Parlor magic, Appearing and vanishing, levitation of objects, things that can be done from a stage for a house of about 50 or so. 

I'm eager to chat with you all.


Thank you for letting me into your circle.


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Hi Sean,

Welcome to The Magician's forum.

I hope you'll enjoy your time as much as I do. A lot of things to learn from the people who are here. It's a treat!

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Hi Sean


Welcome to TMF.   You will find this to be a very helpful community.

I'm from Victoria myself, although I moved to Ontario in 1979.


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Hi Robin & Lucas. 

 

It's a pleasure to meet you both. I'm very much looking forward to learning all I can. As a beginner, its difficult to know where to begin. 

 

 

Cheers



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      Easy Sean, I've written quite a few books JUST FOR YOU.
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Hi Robin & Lucas. 

 

It's a pleasure to meet you both. I'm very much looking forward to learning all I can. As a beginner, its difficult to know where to begin. 

 

 

Cheers





Welcome to the forum Sean!  Here's some thoughts on building a show.  First, take advantage of your theater background.  Your experience there is in characters so develop a performing character.  That "person" might be similar to your ordinary self or it might be a totally different persona.  Have fun and experiment.

Next, consider building your act around a theme.  Themes can take lots of forms.  Some themes revolve around the character.  If your character is an absent-minded professor type, then the tricks all take on the form of "magical failures" and surprising reversals of fortune.  Maybe you put on a medicine show wearing the appropriate attire?  You make liquids disappear, change color and bottles vanish.  Maybe something floats somewhere in there, like a spoon maybe?  Themes can also revolve around props.  Maybe all of your props are related in some fashion, like dice or something.  I knew a magician whose act consisted of triangle shapes.  He called it Power to the Pyramid.  Perhaps the thing that connects your act is color.  You have yellow ropes, scarves, balls, etc.  

There isn't necessarily anything wrong with doing a stand up routine where you just perform one trick after another.  But analyze the list of tricks and come up with the right sequence in which to perform them.  Come up with bridges that connect the tricks.  How do you go from one effect to another?  Maybe one effect leaves you holding a silk handkerchief.  Use that hanky in the next routine.  Then find a way to transition into the next.  

Are you going to have audience interaction?  If so, what tricks do you currently do that lend themselves to that?  How can you use your theatrical background to enhance that interaction?  

So many choices to make.  The cool thing is right now you have a blank slate.  Speaking of blank slate, maybe mentalism is something to consider.  There are a lot of mentalists that frequent this forum and they can chime in.

In the end, start at the beginning and ask yourself what it is you want to accomplish.  What do you want the audience to think, to remember?  Then build an act to achieve those goals.

Good luck!  And have fun!
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Sean, thanks for dropping by. We're happy to have you here and look forward to getting to know you better. To help us with outreach, would you mind saying how you found out about us?

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Welcome Sean!
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Welcome my fellow Canadian! Pleasure to have you here.
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Welcome to the forum Sean!  Here's some thoughts on building a show.  First, take advantage of your theater background.  Your experience there is in characters so develop a performing character.  That "person" might be similar to your ordinary self or it might be a totally different persona.  Have fun and experiment.

Next, consider building your act around a theme.  Themes can take lots of forms.  Some themes revolve around the character.  If your character is an absent-minded professor type, then the tricks all take on the form of "magical failures" and surprising reversals of fortune.  Maybe you put on a medicine show wearing the appropriate attire?  You make liquids disappear, change color and bottles vanish.  Maybe something floats somewhere in there, like a spoon maybe?  Themes can also revolve around props.  Maybe all of your props are related in some fashion, like dice or something.  I knew a magician whose act consisted of triangle shapes.  He called it Power to the Pyramid.  Perhaps the thing that connects your act is color.  You have yellow ropes, scarves, balls, etc.  

There isn't necessarily anything wrong with doing a stand up routine where you just perform one trick after another.  But analyze the list of tricks and come up with the right sequence in which to perform them.  Come up with bridges that connect the tricks.  How do you go from one effect to another?  Maybe one effect leaves you holding a silk handkerchief.  Use that hanky in the next routine.  Then find a way to transition into the next.  

Are you going to have audience interaction?  If so, what tricks do you currently do that lend themselves to that?  How can you use your theatrical background to enhance that interaction?  

So many choices to make.  The cool thing is right now you have a blank slate.  Speaking of blank slate, maybe mentalism is something to consider.  There are a lot of mentalists that frequent this forum and they can chime in.

In the end, start at the beginning and ask yourself what it is you want to accomplish.  What do you want the audience to think, to remember?  Then build an act to achieve those goals.

Good luck!  And have fun!

 

 

Wow Ray. Thank you so much for this. This is really helpful information to get started with. I really appreciate all the advice. I really like mentalism, and spiritualism. I think they are really cool avenues that lend themselves well to holding an audiences attention (which I can do pretty well) That might be a great way to start! Thank you for the suggestion!

 

 

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Hi Anthony.

Thank you very much for your kind words. I'm looking forward to getting to know you all better as well!

Honestly,I found out about this through a google search. I typed in "Magic help Forum." Brought me right here.

This seems like a great venue and am eager to be apart of the community.

 

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Thank you very much! I'm glad to see there are other Canadians here!

 

Cheers


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Welcome Sean!

 

Thank you so much!

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      Easy Sean, I've written quite a few books JUST FOR YOU.

 

Hi Harry!

 

What a wonderful resource. Could you tell me the names of the books?

 

Sean

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Welcome aboard.
Please tell us about your first show; what you performed and how it was all tied together.
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Please tell us about your first show; what you performed and how it was all tied together.

 

Hey there!

So the first show was a small show. Comedy Magic. I didn't speak. I played a magician learning his tricks, so it was easy to mess up. It seemed like part of the show in that regard. 

The tricks I used in order were:

1. Vanishing card (it was just a back palm) 

2. Vanishing Ball (this one was flubbed on purpose and just a french drop) 

3. Find the four aces, card trick

4.  Colour changing scarf

5. Appearing Cane

 

It was like a 15 minute long show. I think. It was set to music with some voice over as well. Introducing me as the magician and there was a clap track that got less and less enthusiastic as the piece went on.

 

 

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Very interesting set.
How long have you been into magic and what type of magic are you interested in? Do you buy books or tricks? I'm asking to get a feel of where you are in magic.
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Very interesting set.
How long have you been into magic and what type of magic are you interested in? Do you buy books or tricks? I'm asking to get a feel of where you are in magic.


Hey Dan. 

I'm really at the very very beginning of my magic learning. I've been doing magic for a period of weeks really. I'm interested in Parlor magic. Levitation, floats, vanishes, things of that nature. Although, truth be told, I'm interested in a lot of different types of magic and would be keen to dabble. 

I have two books that I was gifted, They are beginner magic books. The tricks are standard kid tricks, Plastic cups and pens through dollar bills that kind of thing. 

 

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This is really hard to advise on since you are so new.

Pick up The Magic Book by Harry Lorayne. That's a good start. Now You See It, Now You Don't by Bill Tarr is a good book as well. To get you thinking about your magic, pick up Magic and Meaning by Eugene Burger and Bob Neale.

To routine; start strong, end strong, engage your audience or have some kind of narrative in the middle.
Get people to like you. It's not about the trick. It's not about what you see in the trick. It's the relationship you develop between you and the audience while you show them t something amazing.

Learn some more. Tell us what you're learning and this group will help you the best they can.

Good luck.
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This is really hard to advise on since you are so new.

Pick up The Magic Book by Harry Lorayne. That's a good start. Now You See It, Now You Don't by Bill Tarr is a good book as well. To get you thinking about your magic, pick up Magic and Meaning by Eugene Burger and Bob Neale.

To routine; start strong, end strong, engage your audience or have some kind of narrative in the middle.
Get people to like you. It's not about the trick. It's not about what you see in the trick. It's the relationship you develop between you and the audience while you show them t something amazing.

Learn some more. Tell us what you're learning and this group will help you the best they can.

Good luck.

 

Hey, Thank you for the book recommendations! I will be picking those up pretty soon. I have a day off tomorrow and will dedicate it to finding new starter material.

Your advice on getting people to like it is fantastic. Thank you for that. I see the enormous  value of that.

 

Cheers


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So, I just saw a Lance Burton routine on the old TV show, The best of Magic and OH MY GOD. THAT ROUTINE IS PERFECT! It was all just vanishes and appearances of cards, candles, doves and scarves. It was incredible. I'm so blown away right now and had to share my excitement. It was so effortless looking. I'm in awe. 
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Don't expect by doing that by the end of August unless you have nothing else to do but practice that.
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Don't expect by doing that by the end of August unless you have nothing else to do but practice that.

 

Oh, absolutely not. The man must've practiced for years and years and years to get that good. It's super inspiring though. Fills me with wonder and excitement. 

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You have good taste, Sean. That is Lance Burton's FISM Act and it is truly one of the best magic acts in world history.

You're in good hands with Evil Dan. Keep up the good work!
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You have good taste, Sean. That is Lance Burton's FISM Act and it is truly one of the best magic acts in world history.

You're in good hands with Evil Dan. Keep up the good work!



Thank you! It's a wonderful piece of stage work. Wowee! 

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I just ordered "The Magic Book" By Harry Lorayne. It should come in, in about 10 days. I'm very excited!
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And if you have any questions about anything in his book, Harry is active on this board, you could ask him.
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Thank you! I will be sure to use his knowledge! Thank you all for the help!
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I just got a copy of The Magic book by Harry Lorayne. I'm very excited!


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Welcome aboard Sean -- as you have found out by now -- this is a very friendly and helpful place to be!
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The Magic Book will give you a good introduction to all sorts of magic.  Yes, Lance honed that show over many years.  Really depends on what you want to do.  Close up cards and coins is a good start. 
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So, I just saw a Lance Burton routine on the old TV show, The best of Magic and OH MY GOD. THAT ROUTINE IS PERFECT! It was all just vanishes and appearances of cards, candles, doves and scarves. It was incredible. I'm so blown away right now and had to share my excitement. It was so effortless looking. I'm in awe. 


Lance developed that act over time and was painstaking in every little detail.  I saw a live performance back around 1980 and it was similar, but not the same.  I got to talk with Lance at that show.  He was a little shy, but approachable.  He explained that he had been working steadily at an amusement park in Kentucky and was performing as many as six shows a day.  That explains the precision.  As we spoke, he had a deck of manipulation cards in his hands and was practicing some fans and back palms.  He was also quite good at solving Rubik's Cube.  He could do it in around 45 seconds or so.  If you are impressed with Lance (and you should be), see if you can find video of Channing Pollock.  Channing's dove and card work were an inspiration to Lance.  Shimada is worth studying also.
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Lance developed that act over time and was painstaking in every little detail.  I saw a live performance back around 1980 and it was similar, but not the same.  I got to talk with Lance at that show.  He was a little shy, but approachable.  He explained that he had been working steadily at an amusement park in Kentucky and was performing as many as six shows a day.  That explains the precision.  As we spoke, he had a deck of manipulation cards in his hands and was practicing some fans and back palms.  He was also quite good at solving Rubik's Cube.  He could do it in around 45 seconds or so.  If you are impressed with Lance (and you should be), see if you can find video of Channing Pollock.  Channing's dove and card work were an inspiration to Lance.  Shimada is worth studying also.



Wow thank you for the recommendation. I will be checking that out tonight. That is great! Thank you so much!


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Welcome to TMF Sean. We are a wonderful group of people.
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