Sign up Latest Topics Chat
 
 
 


Reply
  Author   Comment  
Doug Nagel

Avatar / Picture

Member
Registered:
Posts: 18
Reply with quote  #1 
Hey guys,
I have been wanting to do IET and loop effects, but have had difficulty figuring out what lighting is good, what thread is the most invisible, etc. Every time I practice it seems like the thread is visible, and I haven’t found any good resources on this subject.
Any advice? Thanks!
0
Mike Powers

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 2,546
Reply with quote  #2 
I've never lost my fear of being busted with IT. Angles, lighting etc. I'm not sure that you can be sure that the thread is invisible to all who are watching. The image of me acting like I'm levitating a rolled up bill while the spectators are seeing it dangling from a thread is quite scary. Imagine a stage show in which the magician is waving his hands over the levitating assistant while the wires are visible to the audience. Ouch!!

Mike
0
arthur stead

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,047
Reply with quote  #3 

I’m in complete agreement with Mike.  While I admire folks who can use IT effects well, I’ve always been scared of getting caught.  That would have been disastrous, because then that’s all everybody would remember.  Not good in a professional situation.

However, I did enjoy performing Tarantula for a time, and avoided anyone glimpsing the thread ...

I have seen both Yigal Mesika and Finn John lecture and perform, and they were brilliant!

To answer Doug:  I would imagine Michael Ammar's Invisible Thread DVD set would cover IT usage in great detail?

Arthur


__________________
http://www.arthurstead.com
0
Rudy Tinoco

Avatar / Picture

Founding Member
Registered:
Posts: 4,798
Reply with quote  #4 
Interesting timing on this subject. I just receive my "Infinity V2" thread in the mail today. I've been practicing Shimshi's credit card trick (excellent!). 
The thread looks a little too visible for my liking. I was just trying to see if it was any stronger/less visible the the spool of thread that I've been using/stripping that I got from Joanne's Fabric Store. I haven't had time to try it yet. 

Unfortunately, the instructional video that came with this doesn't have any sound. Lame.

Anyway, I'll report back to you.

Rudy

IMG_8910.jpg


__________________
www.youtube.com/themagiciansforum
http://www.facebook.com/themagiciansforum
0
Doug Nagel

Avatar / Picture

Member
Registered:
Posts: 18
Reply with quote  #5 
Quote:
Originally Posted by PressureFan
There's a DVD, REFLECTIONS by Yigal Mesika and Finn Jon that deals with lighting. My notes say that I didn't find anything too useful.
On thing mentioned, you don't see the thread, you see the light reflecting off it. That's obvious, but it's the heart of the matter.


I have that dvd. I agree with your notes, I didn’t find anything too useful as well.
0
Doug Nagel

Avatar / Picture

Member
Registered:
Posts: 18
Reply with quote  #6 
Also, I got a suggestion from the Sebashtion, who invented the Trinity tying system, to go to a fabric store and buy a fabric marker (Marvy’s?) to help with the shine. There’s no alcohol, so it won’t dry out the thread like a sharpie would.
0
Doug Nagel

Avatar / Picture

Member
Registered:
Posts: 18
Reply with quote  #7 
Any suggestions on lighting? I was told to have the light in front of you, not behind you.
0
Doug Nagel

Avatar / Picture

Member
Registered:
Posts: 18
Reply with quote  #8 
Quote:
Originally Posted by arthur stead

I’m in complete agreement with Mike.  While I admire folks who can use IT effects well, I’ve always been scared of getting caught.  That would have been disastrous, because then that’s all everybody would remember.  Not good in a professional situation.

However, I did enjoy performing Tarantula for a time, and avoided anyone glimpsing the thread ...

I have seen both Yigal Mesika and Finn John lecture and perform, and they were brilliant!

To answer Doug:  I would imagine Michael Ammar's Invisible Thread DVD set would cover IT usage in great detail?

Arthur



Arthur, what kind of lighting conditions were you performing in?
0
Magic Harry

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 409
Reply with quote  #9 
I too am afraid of IT tricks. But something else I heard was not to darken the whole length but to space your  marks along the thread and wearing a patterned shirt or costume would help.
Magic Harry 

__________________
Harry Damareck
0
arthur stead

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,047
Reply with quote  #10 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug Nagel


Arthur, what kind of lighting conditions were you performing in?


Doug, I used Tarantula as an opener for groups of about 10 to 30 after-school kids in daycares (ages 6 to 12).  Either mornings or afternoons, with overhead classroom lighting usually quite bright.  

I began by talking about the difference between a trick and an illusion.  I’d introduce a dollar bill, do the old “George turns upside down” fold to demonstrate a trick or a gag.  Then to demonstrate an illusion, I put the bill flat on the floor in front of me, took a step back, held my arm out straight, and had the bill rise up into my hand.

As I mentioned, I never got caught and really enjoyed doing it.  Wish you could have seen the children’s faces when that bill levitated!  That short and simple effect established me as someone worth watching and paying attention to for the rest of the show.

Unfortunately at some point my Tarantula spool malfunctioned, and I never figured out how to replace it.  (Penguin Magic, from whom I had purchased it as well as the replacement spools, were not helpful).


__________________
http://www.arthurstead.com
0
jim ferguson

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 365
Reply with quote  #11 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug Nagel
Any suggestions on lighting? I was told to have the light in front of you, not behind you.



It depends on what particular hook-up you are using - but generally, you want the light behind you, not in front. The light from the front will bounce off the thread and back to the spectators eye, causing a flash. With the light from behind, your body will cast a shadow on the thread, eliminating any reflections.

I used to do a bit of thread work years ago - Lite Flite is a great piece, which uses Steve Fearsons brilliant hook-up (the movement possible with this can look great). I also did the floating finger ring - this looks identical to the version using the Tarantula, but was out years before. I've also used bottle caps, coins, and coin shells.

Nowadays the only thread work I do (occasionally) is a PK touches routine with my spider pen (original).



Jim




0
Mike Powers

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 2,546
Reply with quote  #12 
There has always been the search for the holy grail of IT - thin, striped etc. I think that no matter which thread you use and what the lighting is, you're at risk of being busted by someone who's at a bad angle. Maybe if you can totally control the environment and the lighting you could get close to 100%. But if you're in the "real world" and trying to watch the lighting and angles etc, IMO you're at risk of getting busted. Also, it's unlikely that you'll even know you've been busted. Is it worth it? I suppose the very strong effect on people who can't see the thread could make it worth the chance. But I HATE getting busted and IT is one of those things that IMO gets busted a lot.

Mike
0
GregB

Avatar / Picture

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 148
Reply with quote  #13 
I have no idea what brand it is, but I got some IT from a trick called Moneymorphesis (which is awesome btw) and it has been my favorite by far, very hard to see in my opinion.
0
Previous Topic | Next Topic
Print
Reply

Quick Navigation:

Easily create a Forum Website with Website Toolbox.