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The subject, well with the exception of DB's work and Jim Callahan's "channeled" performance on network TV a few years ago, I don't see anything new in mentalism.
 
Everything seems old hat to me, am I wrong?

I can't say that about the other forms of magic like..I saw someone on TV do a Coin Matrix using a gimmicked board in which the coins vanished and appeared with lightening fast speed, It was very impressive.

Look at Shen Lim with cards he's took old methods, put his spin on them and his set is very entertaining & modern looking.

Maybe I am just being too hard on mentalism.

Set me straight.

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Everyday we have the opportunity to create anew. Perhaps it is time to drop the label... what is mentalism anyhow? As Kenton Knepper once said: "By definition, we create" - how we choose to live defines how we act, and we often call our performances a magic/mentalism act.

Your actions create your reality. An artist may paint a flower, but each flower is unique, the colour we choose, the shading, the lights etc. It is the same with magic, what do we see how and do we interpret our view of things.

Your mentalism is unique to you. Even if you have chosen to do the same effects as others it will still be brand new, because they're have never experienced you, and your approach... this magic/mentalism we perform is an art, how you choose to illustrate your picture is up to you.

Remember you are the magic!
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Mentalism isn't my thing, but I have watched and studied some of the greats.  I don't think there is much "new" in mentalism, but rather new ways to accomplish old things.  And perhaps new ways to disguise or camouflage old things.  What comes to mind is the use of electronics, for example.  There may be refinements in techniques, but most of those techniques have been around a long time. 
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Everyday we have the opportunity to create anew. Perhaps it is time to drop the label... what is mentalism anyhow? As Kenton Knepper once said: "By definition, we create" - how we choose to live defines how we act, and we often call our performances a magic/mentalism act.

Your actions create your reality.


Yes! If you walk up to someone on the street and ask them what a mentalist is..chances are they are going to give you a funny look or something like that. I agree with you on dropping the label as you say. I have as of late been using the term " Mystery Performer ", but again, most people won't know what your talking about.

I like doing effects that are mystical in nature even some stuff that would be labeled as a false science like the Dr. Emoto Water Tests and such.

Your actions do create your reality. That's certainly true. So does your thoughts create your reality...like attracts like.

That's enough of me on my metaphysical rant.

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Mentalism isn't my thing, but I have watched and studied some of the greats.  I don't think there is much "new" in mentalism, but rather new ways to accomplish old things. 


Yup,

And the same can be said of cards, coins, stage Illusions, a two-person mind reading act, a dove act, mentalism and every other form of magic out there.

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I like doing effects that are mystical in nature even some stuff that would be labeled as a false science like the Dr. Emoto Water Tests and such.



A number of years ago, on another forum, we were talking about the notion of always knowing the time. The idea being that you were stopped in the street and asked the time. You had no watch on, but somehow could deduce the exact time somehow.

I came up with the idea of carrying a miniature crystal ball in your inside jacket pocket - miniature as in maybe small marble sized. You remove the ball and place it on the centre of your palm - positioning it very carefully, as if it had to be in an exact position. You'd then turn the body, a few degrees left and right, apparently so the light was shining through at just the right angle. You'd then tell them the exact time.
This could all be done as if it was the most natural thing in the world - and would leave the inquirer wondering what the heck just happened.

The solution is very simple - a watch pinned to the inside of the jacket, near the pocket. As the crystal ball is removed, the watch is peeked.


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What Socrates said, but if we’re speaking in concrete ways, then off the top of my heade:

Lots of new ingenious methods using phones. The propless approach had matured as well to be quite potent. All great developments.

The old way to present Mentalism, appearing as omniscient figure, doesn’t work anymore (though I realise overgeneralisation can be wrong). Mentalism (and magic) became more emotional lately Which is a nice development. Derek Delgaduio’s show In and Off itself, a Theater one man show that had a long off-broadway run, has the best Dunninger-style Q&A I’ve ever seen, super emotional, with him not being neither psychological nor psychic but rather a story teller.



Not to mention black art in Mentalism over Zoom. And with cards, memorised deck methods have evolved quite a bit from Nikola’s.



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There are still more twists and angles to be added to what is already out there...but to be very honest...if you would like something new to add in...go back to the old books...it seems that everyone wants or needs to know the latest thing for sale or the newest sleight...when all the good stuff is hidden away in the old magazines and books...I do 3 effects (mental) that I have found in books from the 20's and 30's.  What is old is new...with just a bit of reworking to be able to play in modern.  Here is a quick tip, try to find some of Ned Rutledge's works...now this stuff will fool and entertain all crowds.
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What is mentalism to you?

Mentalism in its most popular forms is inherently limited (and perhaps that is for the better).
The things the mentalist is able to do are not limitless like that of the magician, a good mentalism effect/routine/show has a very clear (to the mentalist, at least) boundary of what can and cannot be achieved. By setting these boundaries for ourselves and our material, we create realness and therefore impact.

For example, a very typical mentalist can:

  • Read thoughts because of X.
  • Project thoughts because of X.
  • Predict the future because of X.
  • Move objects/ bend spoons because of X (I struggle to label this as mentalism in this day and age but I digress).
This list may be longer or shorter depending on what X is and if X was even considered by the person structuring this mentalism, but this seems pretty standard.

What this means is that if anything new is created, it most often only lends itself to creating one of the above effects. There's nothing "new" in mentalism because there's self imposed limits that are typically followed.


This all also applies to the "mystical" performance you mentioned, I think it's important to step outside the box and see what else is possible, to the point where I also hesitate to call my material mentalism, but that brings me to my next point.

One thing that can be truly new is how you, as an individual, perform mentalism. If you've done it for any length of time you will come to realise that it's much more about the structure, the scripting, the motivations, and the aforementioned limits than it is about the method of anything. And unfortunately a very large deal of mentalism I've seen isn't really new in this department either. Many mentalists are quite content to go out there with their best Derren Brown impression and call it a day's work.

So all in all, mentalism in the modern era is just as new as modern mentalists allow it to be. Ultimately I think the art can be a great conduit for self expression, and I've gone through a lot of self discovery throughout my journey in mentalism and what I think is "good" and "new" has changed year by year, and I can only hope the same for you.

It's not about what's new, it's about what's you - Me (new?(you(me)))





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  • Read thoughts because of X.
  • Project thoughts because of X.
  • Predict the future because of X.
  • Move objects/ bend spoons because of X


Yes, I am responsible for all those things [cool]

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