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Quick question. Should I have two Jokers in my deck even though they are not involved in the trick?
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Taking into account that you will always have a number of cards in the deck that will not be involved in a particular trick, a pair of jokers should not be any problem at all.

Anyway, it also depends on the particular routine you have in mind. 

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Quick question. Should I have two Jokers in my deck even though they are not involved in the trick?


I only have them in if I will use them in the effect I'm doing, or if I want an excuse to run through the deck to set up something - the excuse being that I need to remove the jokers. To be honest though, you don't actually need the jokers in the deck for that ruse, you can just say you need to make sure there are no jokers.

I find if the spec selects a joker, the revelation or whatever is a bit anti climactic because the Joker is a non card.

This is all just my opinion and generally speaking of course, but, as already mentioned, it will depend on your trick or routine.

Thanks for the question.

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As alicauchy already told you, it depends on the particular routine you have in mind. For many routines it does not matter. But if you are going to do a mathematical effect, most likely you need a 52-card deck or the extra cards (jokers) will not let the principle at play work properly... unless you need 53 or 54 cards for the effect to work. Faro effects may also suffer or benefit from the extra cards. For in and out faro effects, you may have an even number of cards and there will be no problem, but if you have an odd number of cards, the shuffles will be straddle faros and the effect may suffer if that kind of shuffle is not required. 

When I open a new deck, the first thing I do is take out the jokers and the 2 extra cards and put them aside. I always use a 52-card deck.  

So, let us know what effect you are thinking about and maybe we could help you decide...

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I'm always using 52 cards without jokers as Luigimar.

However, I'm using a joker buried about 2/3 in the deck when I'm using a partial stack at the top of my deck.

This way I can go face up searching for my joker, casually showing "a random shuffled deck" while removing it. This is a subtlety attributed to Vernon by Howard Hamburg.

Hope this helps.

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Well i’m not really thinking about any particular effect I just needed to know if I should use the 2 jokers or not. So yeah that’s it.
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The short answer is no, you don’t need them. But you can imply the normalcy of the deck by spreading it face up and simply removing the jokers.
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Well i’m not really thinking about any particular effect I just needed to know if I should use the 2 jokers or not. So yeah that’s it.


As others have said, no, you don't need to have them in the pack.  But, and there's always a but, here are some things to think about.

First of all, when I do have jokers in the deck, I try to make sure they match.  There are a couple of tricks I do where I need to have them identical, so I just take two decks, switch out the matching jokers from one deck to another and I'm all set.

I also sometimes keep a corner-short card in a deck, depending upon whether I feel the need.  Sometimes I substitute a breather, but a corner-short never changes whereas a breather can lose its effectiveness depending upon usage and heat, humidity, etc.  Corner-shorts are 100% surefire.  So if I need a corner-short, it is usually a joker.

You might just take them out and lay them on the table or keep them in the box.  Having the jokers lying on the table can be a nice opportunity for misdirection at a key moment.
They don't tend to distract from the action so long as you forget they're there.  

The other thing is how a 52 card deck handles compared to 54.  It isn't a huge deal either way, but to me, thinner is always better.  I like some of the new "crushed" stock cards that have come out. 

Some of the Bicycle brand cards have one joker black and white and the other colored.  Those are good for a color change of the joker.  But again, I like to have mine match when possible or needed for a specific trick.
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I always take them out except if I want to use one of the jokers as a Breather card. 
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I've been mulling over the idea of using two identical jokers for sandwich effects. That way, in case there is a false count, people will not notice anything strange with the jokers. I have never done it though, it has just been an idea. 

When I open a new deck, I keep the cellophane wrapping around the box. I might put the jokers between the box and the cellophane in case I go ahead and use them. This way, they would be separate from the main deck and would be handy just in case I do use them. 

In Bicycle and Phoenix decks (the ones I use the most), in order to have the two identical jokers, you will need to have 2 identical decks. Each Bicycle deck has a Joker and the Guarantee Joker but they are not identical. The Phoenix jokers are 2 birds but they are facing opposite directions. So in order for you to have those two identical cards you need to exchange one of the two with the other set from the other deck. 

Some other decks have two identical jokers so you will not have that "problem".

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I don't usually keep the Jokers in but it can help, all just depends on if you can find a use for them or not. If you are worried about a spectator selecting the card and being disappointed with the reveal, get them to sign it, it will certainly elevate the effect if it makes sense.
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So after all of these answers (thank you all so much) I have come to a conclusion. Either I will remove them before the effect star or have them in another box/place or if I need them for a effect or an excuse to look through the look I’ll keep them in that particular deck. Thank you again so much. Stay home and safe everybody!!!
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I stuff jokers into a marked envelope so when I want to make up a packet that uses jokers or need one for something, I know where they are, and by the time I do, I generally have a collection of black/white or colored ones... so it sounds like you're getting ready to do something similar.
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I would remove them for "pick-a-card" type tricks, because it reduces some of your options as to how you do the revelation (e.g. mind reading effects where you slowly reveal the card by colour/suit/value become a bit anti-climactic: "Is your card a face card or a number card?" - well, it's neither). 

Plus it means there is a duplicate, and if you reveal the selected card, spectators might think you are just showing a duplicate.  Creating the illusion of impossibility means you want to eliminate that as even being a possible option.

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Roberto Giobbi has some great thoughts on what you can do when you have the Jokers in the deck in the first chapter of Card College 5. Anyone interested should look under the heading "Versatile Jokers." There's a great trick in that section, too. :-)
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Talking about Jokers, let me recommend a really good one...

"No Jokers Allowed" by John Guastaferro
from "Brainstorm - The Creative Card Magic of John Guastaferro" Volume 1.

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I keep them, because I use them openly on some tricks, and in more subtle ways on others .
About the worry of the spectator selecting the joker on "pick a card tricks". I believe it's good practice to know the identity of the selected card, way before the revelation fase (jokers in the deck or not). You could force the card, glimpse it, use a marked deck if that suits your style... lots of options. But doing so solves a lot of "what if..." scenarios.
In my case,  most of the time I force a different card.  Sometimes, while forcing a card, I tell them, "oh! I forgot to take the joker out, if you just selected the joker please take another one". This suits my style, and I think reinforces the idea of a free selection in the mind of the spectator, without saying so.
That’s just my two cents.
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