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sjrwheeler

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Hey guys, 

Hows it going? 

i've been working on something recently, where I need to do a thumb fan like a left handed person. 
I'm going to show the deck blank. Usually I've used a right handed reverse fan, but it won't work in this case due. 

I've tried to teach so many laypeople how to fan cards and always been completely unsuccessful, I can't remember ever learning to do it right handed, but I must have had similar struggles! But now I'm all thumbs, everything is clumpy and doesn't go in the same direction.  

The problem seems to be that the bottom of the cards move towards my wrist rather than around in the fan. 


I suspect the solution lies in just practicing lots and lots of times until it feels comfortable, however:
Does anyone have any pointers for relearning to thumb fan in the opposite hand to normal?

Thanks,

Sam
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Deck condition and practice. No shortcuts that I know of. I learned originally to fan in my RH, using my left thumb so that is natural to me. I can fan in both hands but there is a huge difference in my comfort level. Keep at it!
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Hey guys, 

Hows it going? 

i've been working on something recently, where I need to do a thumb fan like a left handed person. 
I'm going to show the deck blank. Usually I've used a right handed reverse fan, but it won't work in this case due. 

I've tried to teach so many laypeople how to fan cards and always been completely unsuccessful, I can't remember ever learning to do it right handed, but I must have had similar struggles! But now I'm all thumbs, everything is clumpy and doesn't go in the same direction.  

The problem seems to be that the bottom of the cards move towards my wrist rather than around in the fan. 


I suspect the solution lies in just practicing lots and lots of times until it feels comfortable, however:
Does anyone have any pointers for relearning to thumb fan in the opposite hand to normal?

Thanks,

Sam


OK, I've read and re-read your post and I had to stop and fan myself...

I need your help in determining what you want to accomplish and in which hand.  Do you want to do a thumb fan and show the entire deck blank?  In which hand will the fan be displayed?  Does it matter in context with the trick?

It just occurred to me that when you say reverse it might not be what I think is reverse and left handed fan might not mean the same.

If I want to display the deck as blank, the cards begin in my right hand, pack angled to my right and my thumb over the bottom edge, nearly at the bottom and parallel with the short end of the cards.  I then sweep my left thumb, the fleshy pad, from right to left and in an arc.  Pressure on the cards exerted by my left thumb is lessened during the spreading action.  To me that is where some go wrong, they have a death-grip on the pack and the resulting friction causes the cards to not want to fan smoothly.  Like anything else there is a balance.

I am right hand dominant.  I hold the pack in my left hand for dealing and I do one-handed shuffles in my left.  But if I hold the cards in my left hand and do the thumb fan with my right thumb it has always felt awkward.  It has gotten better, and the fans look decent, but it is in no way the same feel, it just isn't. I think the left thumb pressure is the culprit.


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Grab half the deck in each hand, then try to match the motions of both hands.  Rinse and repeat.


I like to practice thumb fan, finger fan, and then opposite on each hand then the other opposite.  I do this mostly to keep my fingers limber and dexterous.  I don't do any cardistry, so its specifically for my amusement and practice.

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OK, I've read and re-read your post and I had to stop and fan myself...

I need your help in determining what you want to accomplish and in which hand.  Do you want to do a thumb fan and show the entire deck blank?  In which hand will the fan be displayed?  Does it matter in context with the trick?

It just occurred to me that when you say reverse it might not be what I think is reverse and left handed fan might not mean the same.

If I want to display the deck as blank, the cards begin in my right hand, pack angled to my right and my thumb over the bottom edge, nearly at the bottom and parallel with the short end of the cards.  I then sweep my left thumb, the fleshy pad, from right to left and in an arc.  Pressure on the cards exerted by my left thumb is lessened during the spreading action.  To me that is where some go wrong, they have a death-grip on the pack and the resulting friction causes the cards to not want to fan smoothly.  Like anything else there is a balance.

I am right hand dominant.  I hold the pack in my left hand for dealing and I do one-handed shuffles in my left.  But if I hold the cards in my left hand and do the thumb fan with my right thumb it has always felt awkward.  It has gotten better, and the fans look decent, but it is in no way the same feel, it just isn't. I think the left thumb pressure is the culprit.




Here's a so-so video. I recorded by myself on an old iPad so forgive the quality please.



Password: Fans
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sjrwheeler

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Thanks everyone for your responses, and sorry for the delay replying, I was away on a work trip. 

RayJ: My goal is to do a two handed thumb fan with the deck held in my right hand before and during the fan. The intention is to show the entire deck blank. Normally I just do this using a reverse fan in the left hand, however in the context of the trick I need to have a card outjogged from the front of the deck, and so to do a reverse fan I'd need to have an awkward moment where I turn the deck end for end so it starts injogged. I thought it would be clearer to just do the fan in the right hand and leave the card outjogged. 
I've been playing with John Guastaferro's Truth in Advertising and adjusted the premise to suit me, but thats also resulted in some adjustments to the effect to make it fit. And thats what has caused this problem. 

The first fan in your video shows exactly what I'm trying to achieve. Thank you for taking the time to make that. 

I've followed your tips, and its getting better. The fan is no longer clumpy or just not working at all, and now it looks like a fan. Its a lot smaller in size than in my right hand (think diminishing cards where you make each fan appear smaller), and usually its not spreading very evenly, OR its spreading very evenly but just for the middle portion of the deck (leaving a block at the back and face which aren't spread. 

I'll keep going! Eventually its going to look just as good as my left handed fan.
Thanks once again!
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Glad it is starting to come together for you. The size and shape of fans can be adjusted by changing grips. Moving your thumb around and canting the deck cause changes. Play around until you find what works best. And make sure to use fresh cards.

Have you ever noticed that sometimes you take cards out of the box and immediately fan them and they are perfect but a couple minutes later not so much? I have that happen and I think it is because "dirty" cards fan better cold. After they warm up through handling they start clumping. Use those cards for tricks that don't require fanning.

As a last resort try fanning powder. I have one of those applicators the shops used to sell where you sprinkle the powder into a trough on top and slide the cards through. Takes a few minutes but the results are amazing. I recommend if you go that route you wipe the edges clean afterwards.

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