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JenniferG

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Started watching this Netflix series but stopped watching it after he pulled his wife out of a bag with backpack. That’s not magic..but just editing / special effects... Sigh.
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I don’t know why they would do that.. makes me believe he can’t pull anything off... that it is all editing.
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Jennifer are you 100% certain that that particular scene was acheived by editing and/or special effects. I'm not. 
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Have you watched Death by Magic, I prefer it to MFH? 
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His "wife" was no where around, behind or in front, she just appeared out of a folded bag.   Also he was pulling out coffee makers full of hot coffee and blenders with liquid out of his backpack.  I don't know why he did those fake tricks.   Not physically possible.  Just makes me question which parts of the video were actual magic performances vs. editing.  So I lost interest in watching it .. shame.  I really like seeing magic which can actually be performed live.  

I started watching that other show tonight, Death by Magic, as well and it was looking interesting, but I started thinking about editing again and stooges.  I think the female must of been his stooge in locating that box on the beach with the guy's wrist watch in it.  There is no other way I can think of.

So I didn't even get through either episode of each season, because I don't know which parts are real magic performances or just editing / stooges.

Anyways I miss videos like DB's street magician where all of the performances were real, not edited.. except for when they had him levitating with wires after a series of Balducci levitations. I loved his card tricks, the quarter, frogs coming out of his mouth etc..
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P&T's Fools Us just started a new season this week. David Copperfield guests and P&T try to fool him.

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I have not seen the show.  But I think you may be jumping the gun just a little bit.  Just because you don't know how something is done, or don't see how it is possible, does not make it impossible, does not mean its all editing. All it means is that you don't know. 

You say his wife was not around, not in front not behind. And then appeared out of a folded bag.  Any time an assistant vanishes or appears from a box, they are not around.  You can see under and over and around the sides and the back...yet the assistant vanishes. 

Perhaps maybe what you are seeing when you don't see her around is part of the illusion, part of the method.  Maybe she is right there, only you can't see her. 

Without having seen this particular adaptation of the effect, it  sounds like any other human or animal production, just not from a box, but from a bag. 

Sometimes in life, and magic, the more you understand, the less you know.

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You'll have to watch it to see what I'm talking about.
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Can you tell me which episode so I don't have to sit through them all.  I FF throught the first two, stopping on things I thought looked interesting.  So far I've seen nothing that suggests editing except for the basic need because its tv. but the effects I saw are all legit and most commercially available.  I don't want to sit through all the episodes, (I'm at work) so a hint would help.  
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Netflix. Magic For Humans. Season 1 Episode 1.  18:45.  
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" I really like seeing magic which can actually be performed live. "

So do I.
To say Mark Wilson is a TV magic pioneer is an understatement. He started every show by ensuring the home viewers that what they were about to see is precisely what they would see if they were in the audience. He spent a big part of his life building trust with the home viewers. A trust that allowed Doug Henning and David Copperfield and others to have popular TV specials. He made magic on TV work.
Unfortunately, more recent performers have taken advantage of that trust and used it to become hugely successful. Thanks to the trust that Wilson created, home viewers believed that what they were seeing was actually doable to real people in real time- for a while. Then limits were pushed. Trust was abused.
And now much of it is lost.
It doesn't mean magic no longer works on TV. But we have certainly done some damage and I love to see real magicians on TV- doing real stuff.
I think the paying public appreciate it too.
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You can do the wife appearance live on stage.  Its a standard illusion.
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I think I can literally see the video-editing. The outlines of her as she comes out didn't look natural.
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I know the scene. I think it Is possible that you would see the same thing as you see on screen if you were standing where the kids are standing in the parking lot. That is his wife by the way. They became proud parents last year.
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You can do the wife appearance live on stage.  Its a standard illusion.

Thanks Bmat. Just to clarify, I haven't seen the illusion in question. I was speaking in general.
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He was pulling anything the spectators could think of out of his backpack.. previous scene he pulled out a blender , then a coffee maker.. both wouldn't fit in that bag at same time.. Then impromptu he pulled out his wife.. you tell me.  LOL.
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Just watched it frame by frame.
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He was pulling out of the bag anything spectators named.. there were several scenes before that one. 
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I know it well.
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Hence the performance is not reproducible in real life.
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Have you seen the goat yoga?
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No, what show is that on?  I quit watching his after that.  I can't watch anymore.
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To repeat: P&T's Fools Us just started a new season this week. David Copperfield guests and P&T try to fool him. Some great magic, curated by pros, and performed by some of the best. Worth watching.

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Yeah I saw the first episode with David Copperfield.  They fooled me too.. I have no idea how they found the card in the pocket. I have some ideas how they might of done it. 
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Goat yoga is the next scene on that episode.
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I stand by my understanding that if you were standing where the kids were standing on the parking lot you would see exactly what we saw on the screen in real time no cuts.
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What if the spectator said, "my mother" or "my car" or anything else you can think of.. he'd pull that out of the bag for them?
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He’d have his mother or his car come out of the bag.
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Okie dokie. 
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Just like that!!! True genius. Greatly missed. Thanks Jack.
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Jennifer, I understand your hesitancy to accept.  Also please understand this is not an attack, it is an education.  I have 45 yrs of experience on the business side of magic.   I applaud the show because in an odd way it shows just how good a job they are doing.  Two things to consider.

  1 You are correct in that editing is involved you cannot make a good tv show without it.  Like every magician who gets a chance to be on tv one takes full advantage of the camera.

2  It is just a magic trick.  There is method, there are secrets there is psychology and there is a lot you simply don't see.  However the affect as seen, from naming the drinks and producing them (coffee pots and all...hot) to producing the wife is just as you would see it if you were sitting in the audience...or even more accurately, as Gareth pointed out..if you were standing where those kids were standing in the parking lot then you would see exactly what we saw on the screen.  

3 what if when a spectator chooses a card, they say the 5 of diamonds rather than the six of hearts?  What if?  What if?  That is the point of magic is it not?

4. Magicians went crazy a bunch of years back when a magician pulled a selected card out of the spectators pocket.  "Its fake" the magicians cried, "Stooges" they cried.  yada, yada yada.   The more experienced magicians were saying.  It's in volume four of Tarbell.   Its almost as old as magic itself.  (okay maybe not volume four, I'm taking poetic license, but I hope you get the point.)  The fact is, the effect is possible and true and tried. 

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Tommy Cooper video is hilarious! 
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All this reminds me of a Tommy cooper (RIP) routine in which he would pull out ridiculously large items from under a magic cloak he wore.

He was so funny!




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Best laugh I've had in ages.  Thanks for sharing!

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Blathermist, the link didn't work for me.
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Now that was funny.  I had never heard of Sandy, but I am very happy to have "met" him now.
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That was a fun routine... thanks for sharing!
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His "wife" was no where around, behind or in front, she just appeared out of a folded bag.   Also he was pulling out coffee makers full of hot coffee and blenders with liquid out of his backpack.  I don't know why he did those fake tricks.   Not physically possible.  Just makes me question which parts of the video were actual magic performances vs. editing.  So I lost interest in watching it .. shame.  I really like seeing magic which can actually be performed live. 


You are correct that all of the random items from the bag is heavily edited. (Most of that show, the magic was made in the edit and not everything you see was done in the order you see it in)

However, the production of a girl from a bag does not employ green screen or other stuff. Very few performers stoop to that level (but enough about Criss Angel) and in that case, it was a direct to camera, practical illusion. It might have looked wonky, but as someone who knows people who worked on that show, I know what is "fake" and what isn't so take that as you will.

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Yeah I believe the illusion was real, (I looked at it frame by frame in slow motion again), but edited as you say. It's the editing that gets me. I can't get into the show because a lot of the stuff seems too unreal.  I don't know what to believe .. if he pulled it off or not.   I continued watching the next episode and well he was mind reading people holding a latte with a leaf on it.. moments later they open cup lid again and the leaf turned into the word they were thinking of.  I don't see how he could of pulled that off. I am puzzled.
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What you are experiencing falls into the “too perfect theory”. That’s where the only answer is the obvious answer because the effect is too perfect to be anything other than actors or editing. When I do consulting I am adamant we see the “process” of selection or whatever on screen. Most of the magic on tv is just lazy creation.
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