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RayJ

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OK, so there have been a lot of threads on magic forums concerning the death of magic.  In fact, there is a book!

Magic Is Dead: My Journey into the World's Most Secretive Society of Magicians


But to quote Bruce Hornsby and the Range, "Aww but don't you believe them".

Check out this clip from Britian's Got Talent. 



Magic Is Dead: My Journey into the World's Most Secretive Society of Magicians

Really?

Magic Is Dead: My Journey into the World's Most Secretive Society of Magicians

Nope!

This show is drawing rave reviews and all over the internet.  Watch Ben Hart wow the judges and the audience with simple, dare I say easy tricks.  If you have a blank-backed card and a stapler you can do his act.  And he killed.  Obviously part of the "magic" is his performance, his personality, his voice and patter.  I'm posting this to show how much can be accomplished with relatively little work.  

Not everyone is a born entertainer, but with some skill, preparation, presentation and perseverance anything is possible.

Magic's demise has been greatly exaggerated!

BTW, I know the title of the book is misleading and it really doesn't represent the author's opinion.  I haven't read it, if you have, share your thoughts please.
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David, AKA, MagicOrthodoxy, brilliantly reviewed the book back in March.

That was a wonderful performance. Glad you posted it. I think I know what you were trying to say, Ray, but to clarify: that act required a great deal of work, but used simple props and techniques. 

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Yeah, the Rub-A-Dub vanish was exposed, but that was a function of camera angle exacerbated by repeated viewings. The judges appeared mystified, even Simon.

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David, AKA, MagicOrthodoxy, brilliantly reviewed the book back in March.

That was a wonderful performance. Glad you posted it. I think I know what you were trying to say, Ray, but to clarify: that act required a great deal of work, but used simple props and techniques. 

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AV, when I said easy I didn't mean to infer that there wasn't work involved.  I was trying to imply that we as magicians often chase the knuckle-busting sleights and while there is nothing wrong with that, in the end, we witnessed a performance that required comparatively little technical/mechanical skill in order to pull off.  

There is a lesson there.


(I edited my post, adding technical/mechanical  to indicate that I meant the sleights required.  I do believe presentation is a skill and a hugely important one at that.)
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David, AKA, MagicOrthodoxy, brilliantly reviewed the book back in March.

That was a wonderful performance. Glad you posted it. I think I know what you were trying to say, Ray, but to clarify: that act required a great deal of work, but used simple props and techniques. 

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AV, thanks for the link to the book review.  Don't know how I missed it, but I did.  So thanks!
It was well worth the time to watch.  I will end up buying the book as a result.  But not because I was told I had to!  lol
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EVILDAN, that is what prompted me to write my original post.  When I awoke this morning a link to that story was on my phone.  I guess my phone knows I'm a magician or something.  Scary that.

I decided to go another route in my post rather than comment on the exposure angle.

With television and youtube there is always the opportunity for folks that are motivated enough to watch and re-watch and re-watch until they find something.  They can even slow down until they see frame-by-frame the dove coming out from the sleeve.  There is no way to stop that, unfortunately.  

In days of yore all we had were the fond memories of how great a performance we watched.  We remembered and mis-remembered the incredible feats of wonder.  Probably added to the experience, crediting the magician for having even greater powers.  Sadly that isn't the case anymore.  On the plus side we see magicians we never would have had the opportunity to see.  On the minus, it results in the need the article in the first place.

Glad you jumped into the discussion.
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So I pre-ordered this book and read it as soon as it was released. This was a short review I wrote for the book that I posted elsewhere:

Before I give my thoughts on the book I think it's important to note that I came up in magic before the internet age. I'm turning 37 in a couple of months and I got started when I was 11. I'm very much of the "old school" and as a result of that, I've blocked off magic on all social media platforms like YouTube and Instagram. I would imagine that those who've kept up on those platforms will know a lot of this stuff already but for me it was all new. As you already know this book is about Madison's secret club the52. However, this book is very much about the author Ian Frisch. It's a story told from his POV about his journey of coming into contact with members of the52, meeting up with Madison and ultimately being asked to join their ranks. Along the way, he gives a bit of backstory as he explains the reason why the club was started and what the goal of it is. I think it will come as a surprise to most that I actually enjoyed the book. A large part of the reason is that I was able to relate to the author. I share very similar experiences with him. I wanted to get a better understanding of what this was all about and I did. It really wasn't a bunch of ego stroking. Yes, there is a bunch of praise and accolades for people like Ramsay but it's coming from Ian and what he personally experienced. Going to conventions like Blackpool he saw firsthand the type of influence people like Ramsay had on the community especially with the up-and-coming magicians.

Do I recommend the book? Sure. I feel like now I have a better understanding of where they are coming from and why they're choosing to segregate themselves from the traditional magicians. Whether I agree with them or not I think is irrelevant. The goal here was just to educate myself on the subject. There were also some really interesting pieces of information here like how Eric Jones was treated on AGT. So if you're curious about what the52 is all about, the how and why it was created, then don't let your dislike for certain members of the group hold you back from picking up a copy.
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Magic will never die.. it has just take a few arrows to the knee lately.
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