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Buffalo McKinley

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Hello!

I'm working on two routines that require a Mercury Fold?  Any tips?

Three initial questions come to mind:


1. The finger that pushes the card back....what's the best way to catch the edge of the card just before pushing it back toward the thumb?

2. Is the Mercury Fold always done on the top of the deck?  It seems that if you Mercury Fold a card on the bottom, the card is folded with the face of the card on the outside, or am I doing something wrong?

3. How do you minimize noise?


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Tommy Wonder explains his technique in full on one of his L&L DVDs.

And Jay Sankey also has an in-depth explanation on a DVD featuring a paper-clipped card.

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Someone (?) had an alternative to the MF in MAGIC Magazine some time back. Maybe someone can find the reference. I thought it to be superior to the MF. As I recall, it seemed to solve the problem of asymmetry that often occurs with the MF.

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Someone (?) had an alternative to the MF in MAGIC Magazine some time back. Maybe someone can find the reference. I thought it to be superior to the MF. As I recall, it seemed to solve the problem of asymmetry that often occurs with the MF.

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And there's also Bannon's Creased Lightening, originally published in Impossibilia, and again, with an updated and improved handling, in Smoke and Mirrors. Never used it myself, but have heard others in the past say it's easier and quicker than the MF. Might be worth checking out if you have one of the sources.

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Buffalo, good recommendations above.  Regarding top of the deck, I would never do that.  Tommy Wonder's technique is from the bottom of the pack.  There is no reason to use the pack at all, BTW.  You can execute a great fold from the palm.  I think I learned it from a Michael Ammar book.  The way I do it I can either fold it in 4ths or 6ths.  If I need to load the card into a small place, folding it in 6ths helps.

I do it at my side.  I never encounter noise.  If I did, I would just talk over it, so I don't think it would be a big deal.

Some people run through decks like water practicing. If that is what you need, then go for it.  Good use for the deck that was headed for the bin.
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Some people run through decks like water practicing. If that is what you need, then go for it.  Good use for the deck that was headed for the bin.


I chuck all my 'dead' decks into a box, and when I want to practice folding, I grab a bunch out of that box... keeps the box from overflowing too 😉

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Jamy Ian Swiss teaches his way of folding a card while spreading the cards from hand to hand. It's quite unusual but effective.

This can be found in his Penguin Live lecture.
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What makes the fold easier and more important guarantees a neatly folded card is to pre-cut the cards along the lines where you want to have the card folded. That is to say, with a ruler on a card, you go along the ruler with an exacto knife, slicing only the upper layer of the card. It is a idea from Helder Guimaraes from his book Reflections but I also have a faint recollection of Tommy Wonder doing it, during a lecture.
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Magick Balay showed me his version of the Mercury Fold. It's essentially a non-sleight version! And there is no tell-tale sound!
I ended up calling it the "Moon Fold" since Magick did it behind his back at the level of his rear end!

Here's the method and patter I use:

After the card has been returned and controlled to the top or bottom of the deck, you give the cards a false shuffle retaining the top (or bottom) card. "I am so talented," you say, "I can find your card behind my back! Don't even have to look at the cards! I can do it by feel!" With the deck safely behind your back and at a level lower than your working space (table, etc.), you pull off the controlled card and using both hands fold it into quarters. Take any other card out and bring both deck and indifferent card into view. The "Moon Folded" card is either hidden behind the deck or finger palmed as in the traditional MCF. When the spec tells you that's not their card, you simply state that, "when my superhuman, ultra-scientific sense of touch fails me, I have to resort to magic!" Then proceed with the rest of your trick.


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I think when Buffalo refers to folding the card on top of the deck, he means holding the deck face up - so the card to be folded is under the deck, as usually taught.  When done this way, the card ends up folded with the face inside.
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I think when Buffalo refers to folding the card on top of the deck, he means holding the deck face up - so the card to be folded is under the deck, as usually taught.  When done this way, the card ends up folded with the face inside.


Thanks for the clarification.
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Simon Lovell had a version of the fold also.
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Magick Balay showed me his version of the Mercury Fold. 



Hey Mbreggar, Magic showed it to me too, many years ago.  The way he does it is very simple and effective.  Plus it completely eliminates all those years of trying to perfect the Mercury Fold!


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Hey Mbreggar, Magic showed it to me too, many years ago.  The way he does it is very simple and effective.  Plus it completely eliminates all those years of trying to perfect the Mercury Fold!



I agree.  There is no need to do it "out in the open".  You can also do it in you pocket so long as you have room.  Men's trousers these days are fairly snug and jeans wouldn't work probably, but if you have decent sized pockets it is easy enough to do as you go to retrieve something.
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I know this will get plenty of poo poos, but I'm just curious. Over the last year or two it seems like there was some sort of “device” to prescore the card. It got a lot of positive play, but like most hot items it seems to have vanished into the ether. Does anyone recall this or, better yet, tried it?
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https://www.alakazam.co.uk/product-The-Perfect-Score-By-Jon-Allen.html
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I personally would never have need for a device because the card I fold is always a freely-selected card.  I certainly COULD arrange to force a card that is pre-scored and I see the advantage in that, but I just choose to do it without preparation.
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this is another one....

https://thebulletfold.com/
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I know this will get plenty of poo poos, but I'm just curious. Over the last year or two it seems like there was some sort of “device” to prescore the card. It got a lot of positive play, but like most hot items it seems to have vanished into the ether. Does anyone recall this or, better yet, tried it?


I don't poo poo it, but it obviously isn't necessary.  If I were to use a small wooden box such as that used by Fred Kaps and Tommy Wonder, then having it pre-scored would help make it small enough to appear to have come from the box.  If you do the card fold and end up with too big of a package then it will not closely resemble the gaff.
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BTW, when looking for the scoring mechanisms I noticed at least a half-dozen tutorials for the move.  So sad.  [rolleyes][mad]
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I know this will get plenty of poo poos, but I'm just curious. Over the last year or two it seems like there was some sort of “device” to prescore the card. It got a lot of positive play, but like most hot items it seems to have vanished into the ether. Does anyone recall this or, better yet, tried it?


Upon hearing about the device I made one myself and it saves me a lot of time.

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Thanks everyone!

I decided to learn "C-Fold" by Scott Alexander.  It's a version of John Bannon's "Creased Lighting".

What I like about C-Fold is it's done on the bottom of the deck is much quieter than the Mercury Fold and seems to fold the card more uniformly.

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I remember seeing a routine for Jay Sankey's, "Paper-clipped" where the magician folded the selected/signed card in front of the spectator. The spec chose a corner to initial after which the magician tore the corner from the card and gave to the spectator for safe keeping.

The folded card was placed back into the deck (unfolded) as attention was drawn to the paper-clipped card which had been under a rocks glass throughout the card choosing/signing/tearing process and explained that he would come back to the card later, but for everyone to make sure it remained under the glass...the magician then put the cards away and went into a few different effects before calling attention to the clipped card under the glass...he then brought the paperclip routine full circle by revealing the card under the glass as the chosen/signed card...using the initialed torn corner to prove that if "fit" thus being the original card chosen.

Wish I could remember who to give credit to as the spectators and others watching were pretty impressed...I want to say it was Gary Freed(?).
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Adobe Acrobat has a nice search feature by which you can search all PDFs in a folder or series of folders. So I was able to search all issues of MAGIC since I purchased the PDF package. The item I was remembering is in the July 2009 issue in Josh Jay's "Expert Talk" column. It's by Alex Rivetti.

Using this method seems to create a more symmetrical final product for me. 

A fundamental difference is that this version creates the first fold by bringing the long edges together on the left side.

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