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KenTheriot

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I'm trying to learn this stand-up monte routine by Brian Roberts, printed in the May Linking Ring. But I am having trouble making it work as described.

It appeals to me because I have Garrett Thomas' Stand-Up Monte. But I'd like to add one I can do with a regular deck of cards. 

I can follow it all the way to the flustration count. And after that, I always turn over different cards than are described. And I don't know if something was printed incorrectly, or if I'm just not understanding something.

Is anyone familiar with this trick?
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Mike Powers

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Hi Ken,

I pulled up the routine and put the four card set-up in my pocket. I think the problem is that after the Flustration Count (figure 3) you place the card (joker) from your right hand on top of the QH in left hand. Now you remove the joker from your pocket. He forgets to tell you to place this joker on the bottom of the two card packet in your left hand. This packet would now be J, QH, J FD from the top. Now you show that you have three jokers by repeating the bottom double etc.

It's working from here. However, I haven't followed it all the way to the end. Just tried to see what the problem was after the Flustration count.

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Ken - I went through the entire routine with the change mentioned in the previous post. It works as printed, as long as you add the pocketed joker to the bottom of the two card packet after the Flustration count.

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Darwin Ortiz has a monte routine that's similar in that you apparently have one money card between two black 10s and end with one black ten between two money cards. It's something like that. I'll see if I can find the reference.

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Thanks Mike. I thought that was the case and did it like that. But I ran into trouble again at Figure 5. You go the bottom double again, showing a joker. Check. You turn the double over and take it into the right hand. Check. Now here is my issue: "Use the right hand card to flip over the next, also a joker." (Fig. 5). The picture seems to show a middle card being turned over by a single card in the right hand. And he even says "use the right hand card" - singular. That also implies the right hand is only holding 1 card and not the double. So I took that to mean you use the bottom card of the double to flip over the top card of the double into the left hand. And that is indeed what Fig. 5 looks like to me. The problem there is doing that turns over the queen, and not the joker, as described. He also says (after flipping the card over) "turn it face down and take it underneath the card (singular) in your right hand."

If you WERE supposed to treat the double as "the card" then you'd be turning over the joker in the left hand with the Fig 5 move. But if that's the case, and you ""turn it face down and take it underneath the card in your right hand," you'd have no cards remaining in the left hand, which makes the next move impossible - "Turn over the card in the left hand, showing the third and final joker."

What am I missing?
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The Ortiz routine is in At the Card Table. It's called Darwin's Three Card Monte Routine.

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BTW, I finally figured it out. I hadn't tried flpping the bottom card over with the top one. That worked!
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Hi Ken,

I see the problem area. He says "Turn the double face down and take it into your right hand." He meant "turn the double face down and take the top card into your right hand." Then it all works out.

When you take the top card, having turned the double FD, you have the QH which is thought to be a joker. You use it to flip the top card of the two in the LH to FU. It's a joker which is taken under the QH in the RH. Then you use the two to flip over the remaining joker in your left hand and take it under the two in RH. You end FD from the top with QH, J, J.

I believe that everything makes sense from here.

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Yup. Now it works. Thanks!
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Ken - I'm not sure what the author is trying to convey after the three cards are shown to be jokers. He clearly has three cards in his hand. Then he goes to his pocket to show that the QH has somehow gone to the pocket. Is this supposed to be a fourth card?? Where did it come from? I don't see any patter or justification for the appearance of a fourth card. Very strange situation.

He then puts a joker in his pocket and still has three cards. This situation seems very bogus to me. I think you need to ring in the other red queen without somehow suddenly having a fourth card. There needs to be some restructuring IMO.

Upon further thinking maybe the justification just wasn't clear in the write-up. I guess the premise is that he switched the QH out for a joker, leaving her in the pocket. OK - makes sense now.

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Thanks Mike!
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I played with it and liked it.. I'll have to tell Brian.  Obviously would have overlooked this had it not been pointed out here.  Thanks fellas.

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My work here is done :-).
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He also has another excellent coin trick in the same parade called Strange Attraction. I LOVE it. I just happened to be practicing the fingertip muscle pass and muscle pass for months without any routine to put them into, and lo and behold, this trick comes along. Very cool.

 
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