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TheMightyDeleto

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I use mine as a reveal at the end of my routine, from a thought of card, or sometimes a signed one, but I'm curious: What's the best way you've seen a double backer get used?
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Hi TheMightyDeleto,

Here's what I came up with when Steven Youell challenged us to create a trick.



It's not great, but it's an idea.

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Thanks! I feel welcomed for once in a magic community.
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 I posted this on the Perverse Magic thread of the Genii Forum on January 1, 2007

 

 

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This is what I call the 6th category of Perverse Magic – the performer explains something that will happen but he doesn’t understand why it happens.

 

Here the spectator is told to press on the back of the deck and the performer says  this causes the back of the card to change color but he has no idea why

 

This appears on page 404 of Hugard’s Magic Monthly (March 1948)

 

Basically a card is selected from a blue back deck and put back in the deck and after the spectator presses the deck it is spread and one red card shows and when it is turned over it is the selected card. The deck is shown to have otherwise blue backs and then, when the selected card is turned face down again it is again blue backed.

 

The performer does not understand why this happens but says it always does when a spectator touches the face of a card.

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Welcome to TMF, TMD!

Outside of packet tricks I don't use gaff cards. A personal limitation, no doubt. That said, I have always been fascinated by red/blue double backers and the possibilities inherent with their use...

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Setup: Double backer in your wallet.

Spec selects card (may be signed).
Control card to top of deck.
Produce wallet
Reveal card in wallet placing it on top of deck in your hand.
Double turnover to reveal Spec's card and toss on table.


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Setup: Double backer in your wallet. Spec selects card (may be signed).
Control card to top of deck. Produce wallet Reveal card in wallet placing it on top of deck in your hand.
Double turnover to reveal Spec's card and toss on table.


Question: What's your justification for placing the card on the deck?

Not discounting the effect, which no doubt works well, just wondering how you explain placing the card on the wallet before the revelation.

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Question: What's your justification for placing the card on the deck?

Not discounting the effect, which no doubt works well, just wondering how you explain placing the card on the wallet before the revelation.

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You could put it on the deck and then show them the wallet is empty with no other cards in it.
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Question: What's your justification for placing the card on the deck?

Not discounting the effect, which no doubt works well, just wondering how you explain placing the card on the wallet before the revelation.

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Deck is in my left hand, reach inside left jacket pocket to remove wallet, set wallet on table as it's flipped open to expose the double backed card, remove card and place on deck, pick up wallet and return to inside jacket pocket, double turnover to reveal the selected card.

Is it enough justification........it seems to work for me [biggrin]
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Harrisgagnon and mac1065 - Works for me, too, guys. Just wondering about the direction of your thoughts. Thanks for the replies. 

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Why not card controlled to bottom via convincing control which leaves an outjogged card thought to be the selection. The bottom card is palmed and placed in the wallet when your hand goes to retrieve the wallet. 

Spec has wallet. You push the "selection" into the deck and snap your fingers. Card is not in deck. Spec opens wallet and zippered compartment...

Not showing the face of the card in the wallet as you pull it out, and then having to place it on the deck scores low on the conviction level IMO. It's the easy way out, and I'm sure can work at some level. But I don't think it's the best way to do card to wallet.

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Why not card controlled to bottom via convincing control which leaves an outjogged card thought to be the selection. The bottom card is palmed and placed in the wallet when your hand goes to retrieve the wallet. 

Spec has wallet. You push the "selection" into the deck and snap your fingers. Card is not in deck. Spec opens wallet and zippered compartment...

Not showing the face of the card in the wallet as you pull it out, and then having to place it on the deck scores low on the conviction level IMO. It's the easy way out, and I'm sure can work at some level. But I don't think it's the best way to do card to wallet.

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I can't disagree and I like your approach. What you've suggested does offer stronger misdirection & better conviction.

The original question posed in the thread wanted creative ways to use a double backer so I kept my earlier comments to that framework.


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Sorry - I got a bit off topic. So here's an on topic thought.

For magicians: Have about 20 DBers on top of deck. Spread FU showing faces and have cards selected. Don't let the DBer be seen. Card is signed. 

Deck is FD. Place signed card on top and double turn over. Bury the top DFer and flip the new top card (signed selection) FU. Repeat until magi's brain explodes. 

Also: Have DB breather on top as top cutting. Turn your back and instruct spec to flip about half the cards to FU as in Balducci. Spec remembers the face card and then flips all the FU cards to FD. This puts the selection on top of the DBer which is now bottom cutting. Have spec cut. Most of the time she'll hit the breather. You can do an all around square up to peek the bottom. If she missed the breather, you'll have to cut so that it ends on bottom. Now bottom palm the bottom two cards and go to your pocket. This cleans up the deck and is pretty darned impossible given the free choices made by the spec.

Warning: If you do this for a magi, s/he is likely to hold a break instinctively when the cards are flipped FU. Then they'll flip over at the break and you'll go south. The solution is to have the magi spread the cards on the table. You can then have them pick up the FU cards and shuffle them. They remember the face card and then place the pack FD onto the tabled portion. This will insure that the DBer is in the proper place. Hope this makes sense.


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I think we should be careful what we post, not being in secret sessions. 

Perhaps my two favorite routines which use this gaff are my handling for Steve Tucker's "Time After Time" which appears in my book "OOPS Just Cards" and Bob Farmer's marketed packet trick "Mutanz" which is still in my top ten packet trick list. Was even using it in a gig today. It's a BRILLIANT reworking of Roy Walton's "Cascade".

If memory serves correct, there's a chapter in "The Encyclopedia of Card Tricks" about the gaffs you might find of interest. 
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I think we should be careful what we post, not being in secret sessions. 

Perhaps my two favorite routines which use this gaff are my handling for Steve Tucker's "Time After Time" which appears in my book "OOPS Just Cards" and Bob Farmer's marketed packet trick "Mutanz" which is still in my top ten packet trick list. Was even using it in a gig today. It's a BRILLIANT reworking of Roy Walton's "Cascade".

If memory serves correct, there's a chapter in "The Encyclopedia of Card Tricks" about the gaffs you might find of interest. 


I just cracked open my copy of Paul's OOPS Just Cards and had a look at "Time After Time" (page 30 "Tucker Time" in the book). Definitely worth the read! As an aside, and nothing to do with Double backers, the  "So Easy Card Stab" on page 49 is going into my material immediately.
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Deck is in my left hand, reach inside left jacket pocket to remove wallet, set wallet on table as it's flipped open to expose the double backed card, remove card and place on deck, pick up wallet and return to inside jacket pocket, double turnover to reveal the selected card.

Is it enough justification........it seems to work for me [biggrin]


Once you added this justification, I like this a lot. A no slight card to wallet that I suspect would be pretty damn convincing. Would it be ok if I use this? I'd like to see what the reactions are.
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Why not card controlled to bottom via convincing control which leaves an outjogged card thought to be the selection. The bottom card is palmed and placed in the wallet when your hand goes to retrieve the wallet. 

Spec has wallet. You push the "selection" into the deck and snap your fingers. Card is not in deck. Spec opens wallet and zippered compartment..


And now I love this. Hits all the right notes. Strong conviction, clear, and all the work is done prior to critical interval. This takes all the heat off the wallet. Another great idea from you, Mike.
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Once you added this justification, I like this a lot. A no slight card to wallet that I suspect would be pretty damn convincing. Would it be ok if I use this? I'd like to see what the reactions are.


Certainly okay by me to use as you see fit. I'm sure it's probably in print somewhere but I learned this years ago and I can't recall the source.
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I really like the idea of using the double backer for a no sleight (except for the DT) signed card to wallet, where you can use your own everyday wallet.

My thinking in regard to providing a justification in tis case tends to run along the lines of using comedy, which is in keeping with my overall performance approach and personna.

So, the way I might perform the effect would be to take the Db'ed card from the wallet, pretend to look at the "face" of the card, shake my head, and and say something like, "Unbelievable! This could actually make me a believer in miracles!"  Then, casually setting the card onto the deck, and again shaking head, say, "I will never, for the life of me, figure out how your card got into my wallet! Anyway, would you like to see another trick?" Then, as an apparent afterthought, I might say, "Oh, I almost forgot, I would like you to keep this as a souvenir..."  Do the DT, thumb off, and and give them the card.

My feeling is that the tongue and cheek comedy coupled with the brief time misdirection, will completely cover the lack of any true justification for placing the card on the deck before the revelation.
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Certainly okay by me to use as you see fit. I'm sure it's probably in print somewhere but I learned this years ago and I can't recall the source.


One source was Rudy Hunter's "Over The Falls' lecture notes but I've come across it a few times in print over the years, just don't recall where now. 

Rudy had another presentation on a DVD with a R/B gaff and a dream presentation.
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I am doing this.Magician take the deck and put one card face down on the table.Not as usual spectator will predict this card.Spec says 3h for example.Magician puts 3d in front of the face down card.Because if that card is 3h there musn't be same card.to remember puts its mate.Magi puts second face down card.Spec says 9d.Magi puts 9h face up in front of it.And last time magi puts another face downd card.Spec.says 4c magi pust 4s in front of it.Than magi takes the face downd cards one by one puts them on the deck and turn over all.Puts them on the table all prediction matches.
I think you understand where the double decker used.
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