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Doing a trick where you make a mistake four times and you end up with four of a kind face up on the table after failing to find their card. Now the selected card is face down on top of the deck any ideas on revealing their card using the four of kind?
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Doing a trick where you make a mistake four times and you end up with four of a kind face up on the table after failing to find their card. Now the selected card is face down on top of the deck any ideas on revealing their card using the four of kind?


Yes, you could tie it in with the Hofzinser plot where the card that matches the suit of the selection vanishes and becomes the selection.

So in this instance, you pick up the four mates and after "casting a shadow" or whatever, you show that the one that matches the suit of the selection has turned over.  You then remove that card and reveal it to actually BE the selection.

Jason Dean also had a wonderful gaffed version in his TMF Live 2 lecture.

Another reason to buy the videos if you don't have them.
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Yes, you could tie it in with the Hofzinser plot where the card that matches the suit of the selection vanishes and becomes the selection.

So in this instance, you pick up the four mates and after "casting a shadow" or whatever, you show that the one that matches the suit of the selection has turned over.  You then remove that card and reveal it to actually BE the selection.

Jason Dean also had a wonderful gaffed version in his TMF Live 2 lecture.

Another reason to buy the videos if you don't have them.


Thanks I have the video I'll check it out.
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Thanks I have the video I'll check it out.


Jason's smart solution uses a gaff.  There are many methods that use ordinary cards.  Watch his presentation and then imagine ways you might keep the plot but use normal cards.
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You could get a break under the top card while picking up the Aces "to help find your card".

Pull all 5 to your other hand and get the face-down target card centered between the 4 Aces as you count/show them.

At that point it's all show... I don't like to just spread and show … it sort of takes away the 'finding' part.

I like to stick the packet (normally 3 cards) into the long side of the deck about the middle -- like the cards are going in to 'find' it... push out the other side and spread them showing a face-down card... their card.

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Doing a trick where you make a mistake four times and you end up with four of a kind face up on the table after failing to find their card. Now the selected card is face down on top of the deck any ideas on revealing their card using the four of kind?



Is this your own piece, or something you've learned ?

If you have access to Secret Sessions, I have a similar (kind of) piece written up there, which you might like - the title is simply "a card trick".

In that piece, four cards are removed, none of which are the selection. The spectator touches one, and it transforms into the selection. The other three cards then transform into the same value, leaving you with a four of a kind.


You could steal the top card onto/into your four of a kind, and do a "Collectors" type effect. The chosen card appearing in between the four of a kind when you wave them over the deck, for instance (the selection being reversed).

Or maybe steal the card to the top of the four of a kind, display them, then have the spectator cover them with their hand, while you have "one more chance" to find the selection.
Spread the deck in a wide sweep, and there in the centre, face up, is the four of a kind the spectator believes is under his hand. He removes his hand, and there is only one single card there - the selection.

My "a card trick" mentioned above, is the first piece in my small card set of three tricks, which uses two selections.
The second piece in the set, is my handling of "The Apex Ace" (with one selection, rather than three or none). The four of a kind from the end of the first piece is used to find the second selection.
In my handling the selection needs to be second from the top though, rather than the top card as in your effect.




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My apologies Dave. I was still writing my reply when you posted yours, and it would seem I've mentioned a similar idea to yours.



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My apologies Dave. I was still writing my reply when you posted yours, and it would seem I've mentioned a similar idea to yours.



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No problem, Jim... like minds and all that 😉

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The other thing you certainly could do is produce the selection from an "impossible location".  Lots of misdirection provided by the reveal of the 4 "misses".
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...There are many methods that use ordinary cards.  Watch his presentation and then imagine ways you might keep the plot but use normal cards.

My favourite solution to the "Lost Ace Problem" is in "Tricks You Can Count On" by Vernen Chesbro and West Larry; a trick called "Flipper." Impromptu, easy and effective.
It has been in my personal repertoire regularly.

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My favourite solution to the "Lost Ace Problem" is in "Tricks You Can Count On" by Vernen Chesbro and West Larry; a trick called "Flipper." Impromptu, easy and effective.
It has been in my personal repertoire regularly.


It's a great plot as evidenced by all the work done on it. I don't really have a favorite. For bang vs. buck, the one Jason Dean showed was great.
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When I end my ambitious card routine, I whistle and snap my fingers and then use a top shot to send the card flying out of the deck. You could whistle for the spectators card after you have revealed your four of a kind.
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It is Harry Lorayne's trick Jacks or Better having trouble loading the card at the end the spead cards keep sliping. Love the trick was looking for a different eaiser ending.
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My favourite solution to the "Lost Ace Problem" is in "Tricks You Can Count On" by Vernen Chesbro and West Larry; a trick called "Flipper." Impromptu, easy and effective.
It has been in my personal repertoire regularly.


Looked it up and it will work here either that or I'm thinking about adding card to bottom of jacks peeling of and showing 4 then turning over a doing a Jordon Count putting card in middle  and pulling thru deck and fanning to show card caught between jacks.

What a hugh e-book. Looks good.
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Thanks All 

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