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Has anyone seen this yet? I was looking at his Palmer magic downloads section last night and came across his newest download. What do you guys think?



It seems very clean and is apparently fasdiu.

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It looks good to me...
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In the second performance he spreads face up and appears to perform a turn over pass. Spreading FU wouldn't always work since the named card could be at the face or near. There must be some thinking going on to determine what to do.

If you're going to take the obvious route i.e. mem deck with a cut to put the named card in position, the card box method of Ken Krenzel that's mutated into versions by John Born and Asi Wind is excellent. If you spread FU you'll appear to be looking for the named card which, I think, weakens the effect. If you just dump the cards out of the case and hand them to the spec.... wow.

I don't see how it could be FASDIU since you'd have to look at the faces and find the named card. I guess you could peek the bottom card and then hide the left side of the spread as you look for the selection. Might be workable. Shawn makes it look easy - maybe it is. I don't know the method.

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Just watched the entire video. Sure looks clean as a whistle. Can anyone review this?

I've been using Barry Richardson's Impromptu AACAN but this looks cleaner.

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I watched Shawn's video. It has several stages all seen on the teaser.

I still like Barry Richardson's Impromptu AACAN for a quick down and dirty FASDIU approach.

If I was more adept performing  Shawn's "
move" I might feel different...... 

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I haven't seen the video but I have seen Shawn perform this for real people and magicians hundreds of times.  It's very strong.

It is FASDIU but in some phases (not all) you do need to spread the deck face up.  Shawn covers this with patter - I haven't seen anyone protest.  Shawn is a high-energy performer and that adds a lot to the success of the presentation.

Tommy is right about needing to master a particular move.  Shawn taught me this method a couple of years ago and I still don't feel totally confident.  But if you are more adept than I am with cards (not a high bar) and have better practice discipline than I do (again, not a high bar) then you should have success.

I'm a big fan of this method.
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Thanks Robin. Maybe I'll invest in the download. It's hard to see how to accomplish this FASDIU face down unless there's some forcing to queens or something like that?? Otherwise wow WTF.

He appears to do a turnover pass in the 2nd FU sequence. Otherwise, it looks like the real deal.

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I own this and I think it is good for certain situations. It is not as hands off as some of the better methods like Asi's, which I have but do not do as I have yet to 100% nail down Mnemonica. I have the book and I do practice and use variations of those routines, but there are still a few cards that slip my mind... Anyways: 

Shawn's effect is good for a borrowed deck situation as it can be completely shuffled and there is no memorization. There are moves however that may raise suspicion, even if done correctly. Shawn has some work on the move you will need to do to accomplish the displacement and it is valuable advice. I'd say the download is worth it for that information alone. 

The facedown portion is done completely FASDIU, but uses the move twice. 

I think Barrie Richardson's is very strong, but again it is not FASDIU. 

Personally, I use a version based on the Penelope Principal by Alex Elmsley from a dvd/download called Implausibilities by Hudson Taylor. In that instance, two spectators can shuffle both halves and there is one genuine shuffle (faro) so it all seems super random. Probably my favorite version FASDIU, but the spectator doesn't get to freely "think" of a card or "think" of a number. The card is chosen by a cut and the number is also chosen by a small number of cards being cut from one of the packets. 

Shawn's is a viable solution depending on the situation. It can be done with a crummy bar deck, so any Faro based solutions would be out the window in that case. I think for this effect studying a lot of different methods and knowing a few different ways to accomplish is ideal depending on the environment. If you are looking for the most hands off approach, Asi's is the winner. Just my two cents. 



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Barrie Richardson has a few versions, his impromptu which was published separately is FASDIU and very good.  I can't see spreading a deck face up when doing an ACAAN, but that's just me.
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I agree with Tom. "Name any card. Seven of spades? Cool. Let's look at the faces to be sure the deck is mixed...." I ain't buyin' it.

Thanks for the review Ben. Sounds intriguing. BTW as Tom mentioned, Barry's "Impromptu ACAAN" is FASDIU. He has other versions that use a stack.


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Where is his FASDIU version found? I know his version because I purchased the "Ice Cold ACAAN" from Ellusionist, that I later found out was basically Barrie's trick. 

I think Shawn's second and last phase where the cards are face down is more convincing because the spectator counts the cards into your hand (face down) until they want to stop and the card they stop at is their card. This is, however, not a true ACAAN more like any card at any point the spectator stops dealing. Still strong but not the same thing. 

Shawn says everything is justified as far as spreading the deck face up, but I agree that it does seem weird. Basically, they name the card and you ask "Where in the deck do you think your card is? Can you guess?" You are showing them their card in the spread at this point. Let's say they say "20." You can now hand them the deck and it is at the 20th position. 

Another weakness is if the named card is towards the top of the deck. You would have to centralize the card, spread, and then ask. 

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Where is his FASDIU version found? ...


I'm pretty sure Richardson's impromptu FASDIU CAAN (it's not quite a pure ACAAN since the card is selected and returned to the deck rather than just named) can be found in his book "Act Two" ... but I am far from home and I don't have access to my library.

He has a number of methods in his three books Theatre of the Mind, Act Two, and Curtain Call ... I just don't remember with total confidence which one this particular version is in.


(Edited because I left the crucial don't out of the last sentence!)
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The Richardson version I have was purchased as a separate manuscript.
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Thanks to everyone who gave input. I already perform Barry Richardson's impromptu caan and I suppose will keep that for now until I catch up on my mnumonica reading.
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If you are performing Barry Richardson's impromptu ACAAN, use someone's iPhone and Siri to generate a random number between one and 52.

It gives you a lot of time to do the work to get ready.

Script:  Hey, Siri, give me a random number between one and 52.....



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I believe the Impromptu ACAAN is a separate manuscript as mentioned. Barry sold a CD with a ton of material on it at the MagiFest a while back. I think he performed the impromptu in his lecture.

It begins like this: "Think of a card. Have you got one in mind. OK take the deck and find your card. Take it out and show it to that guy." You retake the deck. Now the card is "lost" in the deck. You then ask the guy who was shown the card to name a number. However, it's bad if the number is less than five or greater than 47 or so. Barry holds his hand above the table and says "My hand is at position 1. The table is position 52. Just say stop as I move my hand down. Then he quickly gets past 5 and slows down. It's good if the number isn't too large but less than 5 is bad.

When the spec says "stop" you ask what is the position? They're naming a random number but you've controlled it to not be too big or too small.

You must do the counting but at the end it looks very, very clean.

Gerry Costello hosts a get together at his house in Colon MI during the Abbott's Close Up conv. All the attendees and lecturers go there. One year a neighbor and his wife came in to see Gerry. He asked me to do a trick for them. I did the BR Impromptu ACAAN. When I was taking it home I recapped - "Remember at the beginning I asked you to think of a card. Then I asked him to name a random number." As I was counting down they progressively got more freaky as in "there's no way that card is going to be there..." They kept getting more agitated as I got closer to the number. I really slowed down for the last five or six cards and very carefully, since they would clearly be burning the deck for a move, put the card at the named number aside. It KILLED when it wa the "thought of" card.

It's not a true ACAAN by a long shot but it is FASDIU and can be sold to be ACAAN.

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It's not a true ACAAN by a long shot but it is FASDIU and can be sold to be ACAAN.

Mike


The effect to the laymen is the same.... It is a killer.
ACAAN is only what you present it to be when laymen are the target audience.

Remind me to ask you about one little wrinkle when we are together in Dallas.

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I watched Barrie lecture a few times when I was younger and have one of his L&L DVD's. He was a super clever guy that I wish I had recognized more when I was in my teens. 

The way you described the force of the number is great. Makes total sense and still would seem completely random (because it is still a large array of options). 

I have both his books on my list of books to buy and I'll add the manuscript as well if I can find it. 

Thanks for the info! 

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Will do Tommy. See you soon!

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Well, I don't have the separate manuscript, but the description Mike gives is exactly the one given in one of the books.  Richardson also used an imaginary clothesline to range-force the number: the volunteer was asked to imagine a clothesline with numbers dangling from it - "1 is over by that wall and 52 is over by that wall ... just reach up and grab one of the numbers over your head ..."   He also adapted one of his favourite presentations to this effect: repeatedly asking the volunteer if s/he want to stop the trick ... "because if we go through to the end, you're not going to sleep tonight".

This version of CAAN is also the one I perform most often - as so many have already said, it is very very strong.
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I bought the download because I was curious if my hunch was right about the method... and $10 seemed like a worthy price to pay for verification and what I expected would be some thoughtful insight into a classic and underused sleight.

I wasn't disappointed. Shawn offers a fresh look at an old principle that can be applied to many other situations. The download includes the trailer video, a method video, and a play by play breakdown of the first instance in the trailer (the Queen of Hearts one) that Shawn added to the download folder after it went up for sale.

The most important insight (in my opinion) are the words that Shawn offers regarding the history application and phenomenology of the ACAAN effect in his opening statement. Even if you disagree with him... it should get you to consider the manner in which you present your magic and engage with people.

As for the conversation about real and false ACAAN effects... There is a sense in which the most "real" renditions require the most constrained and falsified methods, yet the so-called "fake" renditions rely on very little more than good presentation. If you can convince the spectator that all of the conditions have been met... Then it is as real as it gets.

For me, I do my own method and will continue to. I can get the real spectator (not other magicians) to believe that all of the requirements have been met through the live presentation, and that's good enough for me. Shawn's ideas share that same spirit, and might even fool some unwitting magicians.

It was a well spent $10 just to hear Shawn talk openly about some strong ideas.
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Sorry to hijack this thread but I've just watched this, Derren Brown performing ACAAN. I'm just going to leave it here. I don't want anything to do with it. It is the devil's work.



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That's not bad.  Excuse me while I put my brain back inside my skull.
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I can live quite comfortably without the tediously twee schoolyard story and the language, none of which adds to the routine, but in general I agree with Robin Dawes. Very strong. And best of all it has two celebrities.

I’ve always liked his cardwork and he did a nice false cut early on, for reasons I’ve yet to discern and don’t care about. I’m happy being fooled and mystified and amazed and all the rest of it.

I also enjoyed the follow-on video: The Genius of Paul McCartney Guitar by Mike Pachelli



The story is an essential misdirect from the method as a time separation from the action vs what is written in the letter (the letter itself is vital to the presentation). Really good solution to presenting the effect. I have it half worked out and have a suspicion about the other half.
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great stuff in both videos.. presentation is wonderful and the reactions priceless.. it is great to be fooled as a magician but i dont care if it is the professors nightmare if it is done well and the audience is entertained..than it is a job well done  IMHO..
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