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Conjuror Community is soon going to release a special "Club Deck"  You can go to their Facebook page for more into.

The back design looks amazing.  It is reminiscent of the old Bicycle Racer Back design or one of its variations.

https://www.facebook.com/conjurorcommunity/

I suspect there will be some "extras" within the pack and hopefully plans to make up gaffed cards to match.

Edit:  You can register to get on the "Backstage Access" list.  The cards will be advertised on Kickstarter in a couple of weeks.
In addition to the beautiful back design, the ace of spades is nice and the jokers are some of the coolest I've seen.
The other face cards are standard USPCC.


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It does look really good, looking forward to the launch!
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This is basically from Adam Grace and Aaron Fisher, correct?

It looks like a fairly standard deck.  There are already so many different and excellent ones on the market, that I'm not sure what makes this one stand out ahead of those. 

I suppose it will mainly have appeal for people who are part of the Conjuror Community.

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I liked the classic looking backs, and the faces were standard. That's all I want from a deck... oh and for it not to say "Conjuror" on the Ace of Spades 😉
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This is basically from Adam Grace and Aaron Fisher, correct?

It looks like a fairly standard deck.  There are already so many different and excellent ones on the market, that I'm not sure what makes this one stand out ahead of those. 

I suppose it will mainly have appeal for people who are part of the Conjuror Community.


I suspect there's going to be some "special features" but we'll have to wait to see what those might be.  

They are trying to build excitement I guess by revealing a little at a time right up until the Kickstarter launch.

Apparently it is working as I am curious.
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As I suspected, yes, there are indeed special features that come with the deck.  The Kickstarter campaign goes live this Thursday.  There's info on their website about the deck and the "monthlong" convention as they're calling it.

This is not just another pack of cards.  Call it a system or a conduit into a lot of very visual card magic.  Aaron demonstrates many of the effects the deck makes possible on the 3rd video in the series.

https://conjuror.community/

I think in order to see the "sneak peek" info you have to give them your email address.  You will then receive emails that include the videos talking about the cards.
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Thankfully the faces appear to be standard Bicycle 808 faces. The back design is very cool. I'm in as long as they don't cost $10 or more per deck. I just can't bring myself to pay exorbitant amounts of money for a pack of cards that likely costs under $2.00 from Bicycle. Although I did purchase a couple of Jerry's Nuggets which retail for $12.

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Thankfully the faces appear to be standard Bicycle 808 faces. The back design is very cool. I'm in as long as they don't cost $10 or more per deck. I just can't bring myself to pay exorbitant amounts of money for a pack of cards that likely costs under $2.00 from Bicycle. Although I did purchase a couple of Jerry's Nuggets which retail for $12.



I believe the Kickstarter campaign will offer them at $12.00 per pack, reduced from the "normal" price of $14.00.

The $12.00 includes the "extra" cards that will be included with each pack along with the access to the instructional sessions of which there will apparently be many.
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Don't tempt me RayJ! They look really sweet. I guess I'll have to buy a couple decks.

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I've already resigned myself to buying a few.  If for no other reason than to support their efforts to bring good magic and good magic education to the community.  Certainly don't need any cards, double backers or otherwise!
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I'm in as long as they don't cost $10 or more per deck. I just can't bring myself to pay exorbitant amounts of money for a pack of cards that likely costs under $2.00 from Bicycle.  


As far as price goes, the new Card College decks that are up on Kickstarter are hard to beat.  The standard decks are priced at just $3.95:

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The card backs are white-bordered, and have a cross-hatched design of interlaced lines in a lattice shape

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The cards themselves are pretty much standard.

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The exceptions are a custom Ace of Spades and Jokers.  

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It's going to be printed by USPCC, so quality and handling should be very good.  The special Kickstarter price of $3.95 each certainly makes these very appealing.

They've also got special box sets for the collector.

Here's the Kickstarter link: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cardcollege/card-college-playing-cards-limited-edition

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Thanks for that link Endersgame.  I hadn't seen those.  I don't "hang out" looking for new playing cards so many times they slip past me.  I rarely buy, but there are some I would, like the Nuggets, and possibly these.
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The $3.95 price for the Giobbi decks, makes the $14 price tag for the CC decks even more notable. I do like the back design of the CC decks much more though. But it's clear from the price of the Giobbi deck someone should be able to make a tidy profit with deck prices way under $12 or $14. 

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Yeah I'm not excited about the price tag for the CC deck. I'll buy a couple to play around with, but I can't afford to make those my regular performance deck at that price point, its just way too high.
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Yeah I'm not excited about the price tag for the CC deck. I'll buy a couple to play around with, but I can't afford to make those my regular performance deck at that price point, its just way too high.


I'm basing the $12.00 off of the video I watched so I believe it to be accurate.
I agree at that price, it's a big pass.  

I'll probably buy the minimum to be able to watch the online sessions.  
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Yesterday I received an email with several packages they are going to offer.  There is an opportunity to get the cost of the decks down from $12.00 but in order to do that you have to buy more than one pack.  They are making a lot out of the fact they are including "lifetime" access to the videos.  I don't know the exact details but it seems like they will be doing regular sessions on things you can do with the deck.  Perhaps even daily?  I watched the video once and don't remember the nitty gritty.

Perhaps after the campaign has ended and the sessions are complete they will begin offering the packs by themselves at a lesser price.
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It's funny how you glean more information the second time around.  I didn't watch the entire video start-to-finish, but I did see enough to clarify some points.  First of all, it appears some of the gaffed cards you get in the deck are not just your typical gaffs, so that might be a reason for the sticker price.  

Also, in the month of September they will be doing a series of live events with Aaron Fisher and his team along with Lee Asher and a lot of other "well known" magi.  

Fisher says the sessions alone are going to be worth 10x the cost of the cards.  Of course he would, but he's probably right.

And they will also be offering Aaron's new effect Pandemonium.  I'd call it an updated version of Panic and it does look impossible.  They'll have several packages available, some of which include Pandemonium.  Apparently they are not going to sell that effect separately.

By the way, I'm just doing this as a service to TMF.  I get nothing out of it, but they seem like good guys, and I didn't want the opportunity to pass by those who might not have heard in time to participate.
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Not sure why having gaffs in the deck would have anything to do with the price. You'll get 56 cards in the deck from USPCC. That gives you four cards that can be printed any way you like. I think the minimum quantity required by USPCC used to be 5000 but may have changed downward to 2500 or something like that. At 5000 units, the cost per deck should be around $1.50 to $1.75. I'm not sure what it is these days. It's a long way from $1.50 to $14.00, especially if they're not selling to jobbers or shops. The smart approach is to sell at retail initially and then, if you have a bunch left over that aren't selling, you discount them to the shops and/or jobbers. Murphy's sells all sorts of boutique decks to dealers.

Nonetheless, I'll have to buy into this run. I really like the design and the fact that the faces are standard. They're building up the launch as a major event. Hope the internet doesn't crash when they launch! The first time Lee Asher offered Jerry's Nuggets, his site crashed from the demand.

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Not sure why having gaffs in the deck would have anything to do with the price. You'll get 56 cards in the deck from USPCC. That gives you four cards that can be printed any way you like. I think the minimum quantity required by USPCC used to be 5000 but may have changed downward to 2500 or something like that. At 5000 units, the cost per deck should be around $1.50 to $1.75. I'm not sure what it is these days. It's a long way from $1.50 to $14.00, especially if they're not selling to jobbers or shops. The smart approach is to sell at retail initially and then, if you have a bunch left over that aren't selling, you discount them to the shops and/or jobbers. Murphy's sells all sorts of boutique decks to dealers.

Nonetheless, I'll have to buy into this run. I really like the design and the fact that the faces are standard. They're building up the launch as a major event. Hope the internet doesn't crash when they launch! The first time Lee Asher offered Jerry's Nuggets, his site crashed from the demand.

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Not sure about the gaff as they are playing it a little close to the vest.  I agree that a "printed" gaff doesn't impact the cost in any way.  Is it possible they tuck something a little "different" into the box?  By hand?  Not sure, we'll have to wait and see, I think.  They don't specifically say what the "extra" cards consist of.

I'm sure they will blow away whatever their goal is.  When EPCC offered their Nuggets recreations they blew their projection away more than tenfold.  I was in on that one and am glad I was.

I'll be in on this one too, just not sure to what degree.

Edit:  When I got my shipment of the Jerry's Nuggets decks there were a handful of really cool "extras" thrown in.  They had promised to send some "surprises" to those that were in on the initial offering.  I could probably sell some of what they sent and get decent return for it, but I think I'll just hold onto them for now.
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Well the kickstarter is live now, and they've already raised $27k in 15 minutes
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I bought in.  They are up to $32,000 plus already.  I really have to stop buying cards, but honestly I think the online sessions will be worth it and then some.
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I'm in too. These guys are marketing geniuses. They can probably get 5000 decks for about $8500. They were way over $35,000 when I checked out.
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They do have to mail them and there had to be some set-up and design costs but you're right, they'll clear a nice profit.
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I just looked in on Kickstarter. They're at $55,027 with 665 backers! That's an average 0f $82/backer.

$55,000! With 20 days to go. They might break $100,000.

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When you can't perform for folks, print cards! You gotta eat.
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I watched the videos... and for all the blather, the 'extra' cards were a couple standard cards we all have around: a red/blue and a blue-backed Joker.

I bought a deck and sprung for the extra "Pandemonium" trick... Aaron had said in a video that the card(s) for Pandemonium would work with any standard face deck... and having the extra videos and availability of training seemed like a no-brainer. I wasn't going to spring for a brick or 2, I'm sticking with bikes, but always nice to have an odd back around with standard faces.

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I watched the videos... and for all the blather, the 'extra' cards were a couple standard cards we all have around: a red/blue and a blue-backed Joker.

I bought a deck and sprung for the extra "Pandemonium" trick... Aaron had said in a video that the card(s) for Pandemonium would work with any standard face deck... and having the extra videos and availability of training seemed like a no-brainer. I wasn't going to spring for a brick or 2, I'm sticking with bikes, but always nice to have an odd back around with standard faces.


Dave, you might be right about the "extras", but somehow I still think there's something in addition to the gaffs you mention.  We'll find out when they ship!

Edit:  I am happy to be wrong and it looks like the two gaffs are the only ones that come with the deck.  Still glad I bought in because the main thing is to get access to the sessions.  I have cards enough to last several lifetimes.  
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They cracked $70,000 this morning... 10,000 decks would cost about $16,000 from USPCC. Full disclosure - I'm in for 8 decks.

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Im gonna get one, just for fun. Aaron is an old pal
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Im gonna get one, just for fun. Aaron is an old pal
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You win, that's the best reason of all! Good on you.
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David from MagicOrthodoxy just posted a review on these! 

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