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This is I worked for long time.Athought I made it imdepandantly,
Steve Forte and Jack Carpanter already published similar vsrsions.
Hope you like it

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Alternation : Besides I use Invisible Pass by Harry Lorayne in this video, I somtimes use the slip cut instead. And when collecting the packets, I sometime take a break immediately with no stairs.
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Very nice, Lee Lee.



Thank you for sharing your video.



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Well Done! [thumb]
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Very neat and nifty.

Quick question. Why are the cards reversed? Is the video "wrong way round"?
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Very neat and nifty.

Quick question. Why are the cards reversed? Is the video "wrong way round"?


I film this with my phone, don't know why that happened 😅
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Honestly, I don’t understand the trick.
You show four aces on top of the deck.
Then you cut the piles to the table, keeping the 4th in your hand.
Then you turn the first ace face up and deal it onto the first pile. Then you cut cards into the other two piles which would place 3 aces in the second pile.
Then you gather the piles in stepped formation, push them together- then do this weird move where cards drop down from under your hand - not sure if you were supposed to be cutting the cards or something else and then you do the finale. There’s alot that you’re doing that is not clear and therefore open to interpretation/confusion by the audience.

The changing of the 2 to the Ace was really good though.
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Honestly, I don’t understand the trick.
You show four aces on top of the deck.
Then you cut the piles to the table, keeping the 4th in your hand.
Then you turn the first ace face up and deal it onto the first pile. Then you cut cards into the other two piles which would place 3 aces in the second pile.
Then you gather the piles in stepped formation, push them together- then do this weird move where cards drop down from under your hand - not sure if you were supposed to be cutting the cards or something else and then you do the finale. There’s alot that you’re doing that is not clear and therefore open to interpretation/confusion by the audience.

The changing of the 2 to the Ace was really good though.


Thanks for the feedback, I think most of your thoughts happened because of my lack of practice and didn't do it more carefully.

About placing the theee aces on the 2nd pile, I try to show that I'm placing one card(That's why I use the Vernon's push-off).

And the weird move you mention is Harry Lorayne's Invisible Pass, which seemed I just place the packet.

But anyway, all happens that I didn't take enough effort to it
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Honestly, I don’t understand the trick.
You show four aces on top of the deck.
Then you cut the piles to the table, keeping the 4th in your hand.
Then you turn the first ace face up and deal it onto the first pile. Then you cut cards into the other two piles which would place 3 aces in the second pile.
Then you gather the piles in stepped formation, push them together- then do this weird move where cards drop down from under your hand - not sure if you were supposed to be cutting the cards or something else and then you do the finale. There’s alot that you’re doing that is not clear and therefore open to interpretation/confusion by the audience.

The changing of the 2 to the Ace was really good though.


This is how Invisible Pass looks like when it's executed perfectly

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Wow, I need to learn that myself!
Yeah, when Harry is doing it - it looks like he’s grabbing the top half of the deck, throwing it to the table and the completing the cut with the bottom half being placed on top.

Having seen this, I went back and looked at yours and still can’t tell what’s going on.

There are points in your routine where you move very fast and then others that are slow and very deliberate. I think if you can slow it all down, it may help you out.
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Interesting that we had a thread recently that dealt specifically with the final change.  
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I'm not sure why this routine would be thought to be confusing? I watched it and stopped at all the key places, writing down what I had seen. 

If I were asked to describe what happens in the routine shown by Lee Lee, I’d say:

The four aces are shown and are clearly placed on top of the deck FD.

Three piles are made on the table from the lower portion of the deck, leaving the aces on the portion still held by the magician.

The ace of diamonds is placed face up on one of the tabled piles.

Then a face down ace is placed face down on each of the other two tabled piles.

Now the pile held by the magician which should still have an ace on top (4th ace) is placed on the table near the other three piles.

The four piles are reassembled with the face up AD staying on top. This clearly buries the other aces in the deck. The four packets are staggered a bit to accentual the distance between the aces.

The deck is slowly squared.

The Ace of diamonds is turned face down on top.

The deck is given a straight cut. But before the cut is completed, the now centralized AD is pushed to an outjogged condition.

The cut is completed and the outjogged AD is slowly pushed flush with the deck.

The fingers are snapped three times as the top three cards are spread to a sidejogged condition and then removed and shown. They are AD, AC, AH from the top i.e. the AD is the top ace.

The top card is shown to be the 2C and replaced FD on top.

The fingers are snapped once more and the top card is now seen to be the missing AS.

I think it's true that you have to pay attention as you watch this effect unfold. But if you do, I think you'll see what I described above.

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I'm with Mike in that the effect was clear and easy to follow at least for me.  I don't like the application of Harry's Invisible Pass in that routine.  It works in Harry's routine for a reason.  That reason is absent in this routine and it is simply used as a sleight.  I'd probably prefer Lee Lee's other version with the slip cut.  
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It was perfectly clear to me as well.



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It seemed  okay to me, and I was watching quite carefully. Hence my comment concerning the reversed image.
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For me, the only slightly muddled part was that three Aces rose and the fourth (initially) didn't, but this was not played as a surprise or an accident. It seemed you only expected three Aces to rise together, despite burying all four.

If you want that transformation of the last Ace (which is nice), I think it would make more sense to play it as though you expect all four Aces to rise together but one doesn't.
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I think my issue was the way the aces were placed onto the piles. I don’t see cards dealt like that so to me it looking like small groups of cards were getting cut off and placed on the piles.

But the execution of Harry’s Invisible Pass still looks odd to me.

We’re all entitled to our opinions and one person’s observation is just as valid as another. I choose to point out what it looked like to me just in case he ever has to perform this effect for a group like me.
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I agree with chris w that the fourth ace not rising with the others felt strange. I think it would flow better if you could show four cards consisting of three aces and an X card. You'd then table three aces and note the X card, finally changing it to the fourth ace. 

Showing three and tabling them and THEN showing an X card suggests that you knew the fourth ace wasn't there. Or even that you engineered it that way. If you show four cards with the 4th an X card, you can make it appear that you've made a mistake. You table the three aces and then fix the mistake using magic. 

Also, I agree with EVILDAN that "one person's observation is just as valid as another." If one person tells me that they were confused by a trick I performed, I'm going to think hard about what caused that to happen and try to fix it. I definitely see that the way this Ace trick unfolds can create some degree of confusion. I had to concentrate to take note of the details that allow it to feel magical. It's better if something is clear to a casual observer.

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I would be interested to hear a laypersons perception of the effect...
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Regarding the comments on the last ace, there seems to be some confusion here -

He clicks his fingers THREE times, and three aces rise to the top. He is then showing that the fourth ace hasn't risen yet (by showing an indifferent top card). He clicks his fingers once more (the fourth click), and the last ace now rises to the top.

The effect isn't supposed to be an actual transformation.

The lack of patter is perhaps what's confusing folk.

It may play better to break the first three rises up, rather than have them all rise together.



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I followed that part of the effect, Jim. I just didn't see that there was any apparent reason to break the rises into groups of 3 and 1.

To me, it would make more sense to snap three times, show top four cards (three Aces and one indifferent), realize that you forgot a snap, table the three Aces, and do the snap on the indifferent card to bring about the final rise. As Mike said, more or less.

You handle cards beautifully, Lee Lee. Thanks for sharing this with us.
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I know what you are saying Chris - like I said, it would probably work better with patter, or if the first three rises were broken up - a slightly different approach to your (very nice) suggestion.

To see the idea done correctly, check out the second part of Michael Vincent's Aces routine. It is the rise of the four aces, one at a time, to the top. Mike uses the idea of showing an indifferent card on top (in this case he shows the top two cards), before the snap.



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I was surprised becasue of many response about this post when I get up 😂

Thank you everyone who give me feedback or kind words

About the last Ace, what I was try to do is,

"...If I do this (some magical gesture) Three Aces rise to the top.

(Now I try to do last one but suddenly stop. And see spectator like I feel he is bit suspicious)

Oh, it's not on the top yet. (I do the DL to show the 2nd card from the top, which is X card)

(Do a gesture) Now it's rise to the top too"


But yeah, I think most of you couldn't recognize becasue lack of patter


And about the confusion, (like I said before) I think it happens becasue my lack of practice and didn't do it more carefully

If I do it more smoothly and naturally than it will shown
more easy to understand


Anyway, thank you again for all of the response!
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