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JenniferG

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Got my brick of 12 marked maiden back decks (mnemonica version) today.  Gripes:

1) Mnemonica key on the bottom of the box.  I do Asi Wind's ACAAN routine where the bottom of box is facing spectator for up to 30 seconds as I patter.  

2) The backs of the two jokers are covered with mnemonica key and well they stick out like a SORE THUMB.. don't blend in well at all.. so jokers are useless.

3) The other two cards are a weird combo of Joker on one side and on other side is also a face with huge mnemonica keys.  I rather have double backer cards.. red/red red/blue.

So I am going to be returning these.   I wish they had photos of their products.. would make things easier.   Hopefully their other standard marked maiden back have normal looking box bottom as well as jokers and double backers.

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Also I don't know what is elite about these they feel like the cards I get from Sam's for $15.98 (brick of 12 bikes).   But maybe that's just because I am a newb and don't know how to faro well.. I mean I can do it but it's really slow but doesn't feel particularly better thanthe sam's club cards.
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I really don't understand the need for mnemonica cheats, especially plastered over everything.  Eventually to do mnemonica stack tricks well you need to pretty much have it all in your memory..
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Also I don't know what is elite about these they feel like the cards I get from Sam's for $15.98 (brick of 12 bikes).   But maybe that's just because I am a newb and don't know how to faro well.. I mean I can do it but it's really slow but doesn't feel particularly better thanthe sam's club cards.


I don't think they are elite. You are paying extra for the markings.
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Yeah they are elite:  https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/13419

I was faro'ing from the top so maybe that's why?  The elite is good for when faro'ing from bottom? I am new to faro.  Btw, what's the best resource to use to learn faro properly?
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I would read through this thread about the Faro shuffle: https://www.themagiciansforum.com/post/can-i-get-a-sanity-check-on-the-faro-shuffle-8525705 , it's actually the reason I stopped lurking behind the shadows and finally signed up here 😃

As far as resouces to learn the Faro properly, honestly in my opinion the best "resource" is practice. I shared a few of my favorite resources in that thread, but ultimately there are so many slightly different techniques, and it all came down to what feels best in your hands. The principles are the same; it's not about force, it's about slight changes of pressure, and applying it in the right places. Some teach it vertically, others horizontally ... some teach it from the top, others from the bottom ... but there are a few things that stay constant, and it's how the pressure needs to be applied.

I was just in your boat three months ago, unable to Faro properly consistently at all ... but with 30 minutes a day, every day, focusing on getting the mechanics down little by little...a few more sets every day, try to increase my consistency every day... now I can perfectly in- or out-Faro just about any new deck (unless it's plastic! those are impossible, lol) on the first try, and typically do my round of 8 perfect Outs in about ~75 seconds on average. Trying to decide if I want to dedicate the next few years of my life to learning Tabled Faros, or move on to something else.

As far as decks go, I found the best deck by far while I was practicing the Faro to be Aviators. I don't know why, but when I was struggling with it, these had a lot more forgiveness than the other decks I tried. The change going from Costco Bikes to Aviators made me feel so much more comfortable and confident with the Faro...and now the Bikes work like butter too 😉

Also highly recommend checking out Gracie Morgan's tips on buffing the deck, and Mike Close has some advice about preparing them as well in his e-book "Learn the In-the-Hands Faro Shuffle." Aviators always weaved for me straight out of the box while I was learning.
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Yeah they are elite:  https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/13419

I was faro'ing from the top so maybe that's why?  The elite is good for when faro'ing from bottom? I am new to faro.  Btw, what's the best resource to use to learn faro properly?


My bad, I looked at the Mandolin marked cards.

Traditional-cut cards faro best bottom-up. I suspect you know enough about the technique to be able to work it out. It takes a bit of time. Don't square the cards with the ball of your thumb or fingertips because that puts a slight concave to the edge of the deck. Square the ends against each other to ensure squareness.

Cutting exactly at 26 is also something that comes with time. To gauge, just cut and put the ends together and compare. In a short amount of time you can hit 26 with regularity. If the cards begin in mnemonica then you already know where to cut of course.

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I'll second this. I've been using that technique for years. Make sure to get the exact file mentioned. I tried a fair amount of substitutes before getting that exact one and all I ended up with was poor results or even ruined decks.  Once the work is done you can faro every which way from Sunday. Bottom up, top down, face up into face down etc. Plus the edges of the cards feel like glass.

As another note. I learned to faro from Marlo's Revolutionary Card Technique and fiddling around with various ideas in there. What really got me moving with it was the 4th finger table mentioned in there. I'm pretty sure that's what it's called anyway. it's been awhile haha.

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Traditional-cut cards faro best bottom-up.
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I'm not sure there we've ever defined "traditional-cut", at least not recently.

Very simply, traditional-cut playing cards are when a card is cut face to back, instead of the usual back to face. This was the way cards were cut until the 80's, hence the name. They are only cut that way now on request. (I don't know if the sale of USPCC changed this, though).

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I just looked at a fresh deck of Maiden Back Marked Cards from P3

1. No external crib sheet
2. Both jokers are normal and the same, which I prefer
3. The extra cards are a blank face and a r/r double backer
4. They are in mnemonica order

I bought these about a year ago and thought this might be of interest.

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Interesting.  So they changed their mnemonica product significantly. I much would of rather had em like you have.  I'll be getting the NDO ones instead of mnemonica in hte future I guess which should be like you have but in NDO order.
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I'm not sure there we've ever defined "traditional-cut", at least not recently.

Very simply, traditional-cut playing cards are when a card is cut face to back, instead of the usual back to face. This was the way cards were cut until the 80's, hence the name. They are only cut that way now on request. (I don't know if the sale of USPCC changed this, though).


I don't know of any substantive changes to USPCC since they were sold.  I'm sure, based on my own experience with buyouts that there will be changes, but generally they are not noticed "in the field".  Time will tell.
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